Your call: the Sedins or no Sedins?
by Yankee Canuck on Jun 19, 2009 3:09 PM PDT
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PrintOne week until the draft. About a week and a half until free agency begins. And the only thing that could have knocked Luongo's contract status out of the headlines was a pair of Swedish twins (not the fun ones).
The recent contract leak caused the Vancouver writers to wake up from the summer slumber (or Vegas hangovers, whichever) and chime in. Gallagher has his, MacIntyre has his. But it's Willes (who I don't agree with that often) who hits the nail on the head:
Teams might be able to fill one or two holes in their lineups by dipping into the free-agent pool.
But no one in their right mind would try to sign their best players that way.
I mean, there might be cheaper options than the twins on July 1. There might even be flashier ones. But if Mike Gillis is serious about building an organization around the core values of character and integrity, as he's said repeatedly he is, he will make this deal.
This point is so obvious, it hardly needs making.
Bingo. If the Sedins walk Gillis will drown under the double whammy of having to create a reliable, offensive core on the open market coupled with having to send fruit baskets to Luongo daily to persuade him that, yes, Vancouver is going to remain competitive.
The Sedins will get their money; there are a few teams who would take a run at meeting the Sedins demands if they hit July 1st unsigned. Gillis can't just assume running towards a Hossa or Gaborik would adequately replace what the Sedins bring.
Ryan Kesler needs maybe one more year before he can be a reliable offensive force. But he's not there yet. Neither is Burrows who needs to prove last season wasn't a fluke. Demitra's best days are behind him. Full stop right there because no other top six guys are left. Bernier? Nope. The rest are fourth liners in Johnson, Hordichuk and Rypien. The young guys like Raymond or maybe Grabner and Hodgson are still in supporting roles at best.
Gillis has more to lose here than the Sedins. And yet both sides want it done, so they say. I still think it will. Having them locked up prior to the draft would allow Gillis to be as flexible as possible should a deal come down the pike.
But that's the main question we have now. Do we need the twins?
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Why is there no other alternative?
I don’t see anywhere that it’s a “take-it-or-leave-it” offer from the Sedin camp.
I didn’t mean to give that impression. In fact I doubt it is.
But let’s play a hypothetical and say it is…are they worth that much for that long? I believe they are hands down.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 19, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The thought of pissing away the best four years of Luongo's career,
his “prime playing years” makes me want to bash my head against the wall. There’s no way he re-signs here if the Sedins aren’t re-upped. I kinda doubt he’s going to re-sign anyways, but he sure won’t if there is no offensive core to be seen.
My thoughts exactly. Speaking of hypothetically, what if we let them walk and then get Gionta and Gaborik? OK, no. But there would be plenty of UFA’s out there to choose from. The only problem then is chemistry. The Sedins have that.
This leaked proposal was only just that…a proposal. I’m sure it isn’t the finale. I’m also sure that Gillis is going to get it done.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m also starting to think that this negotiating could have taken place a long time ago rather than at the last minute. For the longest time the 2 sides refused to talk.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The delayed negotiations were deliberate, and I think a good idea. Keep the focus on the game as long as the season is on, then do the off-season stuff. The only people who are tense about it are the watching fans.
Sure. I guess they kind of guaged something earlier on and realized that extensive negotiations were in order.
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Gionta and Gaborik do not replace the Sedins. Neither health wise or chemistry wise. To me anyway. Add them maybe, but I just don’t see how you replace what the Sedins bring to the table.
In truth the Sedins need the same thing as Luongo: support. So winning 7-8 months of hockey isn’t left up to these three.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 19, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
sure, fair enough. But if the twins walk, we have to accept that anything is possible.
Those were just 2 names that came to mind. If I looked I bet I could find suitable replacements
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I shudder at the thought of watchin the twins leave and put up there first 100 pt seasons next year. I don’t think they have reached there peak yet, and it will piss me off to see them reach it in Minny or Toronto.
Gillis HAS to sign them, and I am holdin out hope that our GM is not an idiot and will get it done.
The Sedins have to be one of the most incredible phenomena in sports. How do you think they would do without each other? 40 points? 50? Has there been another instance in sports where 2 players absolutely had to play with each other? It is quite fascinating to watch.
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
That may be a potential risk.
If one of them becomes unavailable (due to injury or whatever reason), can we still count on the other to be effective?
All things considered though, this is a must-sign deal for the Canucks. They simply have too many holes in the lineup to let their best players walk.
In the battle of the strong, victory goes to the brave.
They have been quite resistent to injury at this point, knock on wood. To me that is just another massive reason to get the deal done.
I wonder if Hank feels it if Dank gets kicked in the nuts? These guys are like the freaky twins on The Shining.
I agree with rollunbears that if one goes out longterm, the other’s production will dip by at least 40%
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
“I don’t want to talk about it,” Daniel Sedin told CKNW today. “When this gets done, we will talk, but right now well keep it between Mike (Canucks GM Gillis) and ourselves.”
They don’t complain and they don’t gossip. “character and integrity” indeed.
In the battle of the strong, victory goes to the brave.
It’s awfully hard to dislike the brothers
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If this doesn’t convince naysayers that we should sign them long term, nothing will
While the rides on the Pain Train and Brock Mansion Party Yacht have been fun, I think its time I hop on the BakBakcycle.
by rollonubears on Jun 19, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. Look past the numbers and Gillis has to realize they bring a lot more intangibles (that he wants!) to this team.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 19, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Gaborik
As a wild fan, you, nor does anyone want that piece of crap gaborik. I cannot wait for him to leave and free up some space. He is nothing more than a injury prone diva that plays only when he wants to. goodbye (i hope)
As for the sedins, i hope they get signed by the wild and stuff it to those ’nucks naysayers. I enjoy watching them and they are worth the money, from a Vancouver standpoint, you all should hope they get signed, selfishly, i hope they come to the dark side.
I hate the fucker too. Like I said, I just threw 2 names out there
by Sean Zandberg on Jun 19, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I seem to recall Wild fans saying the same thing about Gaborik back during the regular season. Just let him go to the Rangers and rot.
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by Yankee Canuck on Jun 20, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
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