"Trade Luongo" Talk Reaches Ears of Luongo
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 2:04 AM PDT
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PrintShame on the Vancouver media. No really, you should be ashamed. The negativity of those that cover the Canucks and many of the followers have more or less reached an all-time low. Luongo doesn't read local newspapers all that much I suppose because on Wednesday he was "tipped off" by a local parking attendant about all of the "trade Luongo" talk going on in the papers. In reply, Luongo said yesterday:
"I don’t know what to say to that, honestly."
“Obviously, the fans are passionate about their team and I understand that 100 per cent. It’s a great city and a great market and when you’re winning, it’s awesome. I get that whole thing. It’s just, obviously, we’re all human. And things like that [debate], I don’t know if anybody can really put it aside without it affecting them.”
“I don’t know guys, I really don’t,” Luongo said. “It’s too early to talk about that stuff for me because I’m still trying to get over what happened a couple of days ago.
“That’s something that I think I’ll never understand. I don’t know what happened. You get a few bad bounces, and few unlucky goals and then all of a sudden you don’t know what the hell is going on anymore out there.”
“I don’t have an answer right now,” he said. “This elimination is still fresh and it’s hurting inside. It’s not a good time to make a decision, you know? Sometimes you don’t know why certain things happen. The toughest part almost is to accept it and move on.”
Luongo commented further on possibly signing an extension:
“Obviously, I understand that situation,” Luongo said.. “This is something that’s going to have to be discussed this summer with my agent and my family and we’ll see where it goes from there. Right now, I don’t have any answers for you guys.
“They’re in charge of the team, and whatever they feel is best for the team they’ll make that decision in time. Why would they trade me? If they want to trade me they can come and ask me.”
I was angered about this bullshit talk surfacing so early after the Canucks were eliminated. There is no doubt that it's going to bother Luongo as well.
I understand that Luongo has not committed beyond next season and that he didn't have the greatest series against the Hawks. But all this jabber just seems so fucking insensitive and ill-timed. Are we going to run this guy out of town? Are we going to scrutinize him to the point of him leaving? I don't care about the logistics of us "getting fair value in return rather than letting him leave via free agency." I really don't.
A) We got him for practically nothing in the first place.
B) I'd like to see the Canucks take another stab at a Cup in 2009-10 WITH Luongo not WITHOUT.
Some of the fanbase and media here needs a kick in the teeth. Like I said before, we've already gone through our fair share of half-assed goalies over the last decade and beyond. Now we're going to crucify the one superstar netminder that we could land over all these years? Give your fucking head a shake.
And no, I really don't care about the money invested in him either. I would do the same thing.
Mike Gillis is apparently going to address the media today. What do you think he is going to say? He sure as hell isn't going to be mentioning (and I'd bet some serious money) that he intends to ask Luongo to waive his no trade clause so he can be moved. He'll probably say the opposite, with an angry tone directed at the fools with the mics. Luongo is a part of the core of this team. You want to roll the dice with someone like Martin Biron in net? Sorry, I'll take Luongo any day of the year.
This is all a shame. It's worth addressing at some point, but why right now? Give the guy a break!
It's times like these where I really wonder if this market even deserves to win a Cup. There's so many cut throats here. Unreal. This really is Toronto West isn't it?
Bring on the banter. I can take it.
Hey Lou, don't listen to these guys. Some of us here still back you 100%.
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Corporate media has always been shallow sensationalist tripe. People eat it up day and night so it’s no surprise the guns have been turned on Luongo. Corporate media would sell their own children for a buck, they have no moral qualms about driving Louie out of town.
Problem is, in this day and age people seem to like their media shrill and obnoxious. So long as people keep tuning in and giving them their attention this kind of crap will continue to proliferate.
You reap what you sow. Until people demand news that isn’t incredibly fickle and immature, this will continue to be the norm.
A dying media desperate for consumers.
Louie! Just stick to Nucks Misconduct. We’ll criticize, but we won’t be stupid.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 14, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Well said. Tabloid journalism. It’s not going anywhere anytime soon. At least bloggers can fire back though.
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Give me a break. Media? The Province is Corporate Media?? It’s the worst written piece of shit bird cage liner that ever existed. This is the same newspaper that planned parade route after a couple wins, thereby making the whole fucking city a laughing stock in the hockey world. This is the same fucking paper that everytime visiting team media comes into town they see then comment about how Vancouver Media is soooooo harsh towards the team. It’s not Vancouver media, it’s the Vancouver Province. Some of their so called writers also do stuff on team 1040. These guys’ knowledge of hockey (sports in general) is astounding. I can’t even comprehend how a guy like Ed Willes even has a job that doesn’t involve him saying ‘you want fries with that?’. This guy is so stupid, so amazingly bad, and his whole job description at the province seems to be to “be the prototypical bandwagon lameass. Kick the team when they’re down and be a fanboy when they’re up.” I’m pretty sure this twatcandle and the rest of his band of merry douchebag morons must be from Calgary or Toronto, cuz no one else could be that stupid. Bah, even Toronto media isn’t that stupid.
A goalie is far from everything in the playoffs,
but it can be a real bitch just GETTING to the playoffs without a good #1 goalie. If Luongo wasn’t here, Vancouver wouldn’t even have made the playoffs this year, and they CERTAINLY wouldn’t have overtaken Calgary for the #3 seed. They lost to a damned good, and thoroughly underrated, Chicago team. I was surprised by it, but when those kids are all clicking offensively, it’s hard to deal with.
We lose Luongo, we’re a 9th place team next year.
Look upon my 62% faceoff win rate, ye mortals, and despair!
Hmmm
We here in Avs land fully support the “Trade Luongo” rumors, especially if they’re followed by “to the Avs”.
by Jibblescribbits on May 14, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions
I agree
Trade him to the Leafs. There’s a media community that would deify him. Wait, I meant demonize. Those SOBs would even demonize Luongo.
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If he leaves because of this, Vancouver will get an awful reputation. Luongo is respected throughout the league. I live in Ontario, so I’m one of the few Canucks fans I know. Most people here don’t even follow the Western Conference. When I tell people what team I like, they always say without fail ‘I really want to see Luongo win the cup, he deserves it’. If he leaves because we chase him out as a fan base, we’ll be labeled a bad city to play in by both players and fans alike.
When I started watching hockey, Felix Potvin was our goalie. As long as I’ve been cheering for the Nucks the reoccurring theme has been week goal tending. Now we’ve got a perennial all-star that any other team (save for maybe one or two) would gladly trade for in a goalie for goalie trade, and we think he’s not good enough for us because because he can’t single-handedly bring the cup to Vancouver.
To make a football analogy, the Colts didn’t run Peyton out of town when he put up record numbers in the regular season (repeatedly) and then failed to single-handedly bring them a super bowl, they hung on, they let some players go and added new ones and they came back and won. When you have a franchise goalie (or quarterback for that matter) you’re the envy of most other teams in the league, it would be foolish to ruin a good thing.
We’re a team that’s maybe one goal scorer, a defensemen and discipline away from a Stanley cup, I think rebuilding mode and driving our star player out of town is a bit dramatic.
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by King Luongshanks on May 14, 2009 8:18 AM PDT reply actions
Probably would’ve been a more effective argument without the spelling errors…
Bring me Stanley. Alive if possible, dead... just as good.
by King Luongshanks on May 14, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
If he leaves because of this, Vancouver will get an awful reputation.
Damned rights. And Gillis knows it too. That’s why I think he’s going to get testy with some of these fucking douchebags.
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Absurd...
You don’t run a guy like Luongo, certainly not at this stage of his carrer. This is why the idiot media and bandwagon fans don’t manage teams….
Yeah
It would be better if Luongo had a much more attractive and successful rival though.
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I was going to say Kipper,
but he’s not as attractive OR as successful. Oh well.
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anyway
all the talk that big bob’s gotta go because he’s like “not a big-game goalie” or something is 120% retarded, and really just absurdly unfair. and i hope to god that bob inks a nice long contract, because he’s already one of the five best canucks in history and he’s one of the, say, three or four best goalies in the world. Luongo indisputably makes the canucks a better team, and i can’t believe there are people that think otherwise.
however. i do think, if bob is unwilling to re-up this summer, that you have to explore trading him. the reason for this is that schneider’s coming off a ridiculous ahl season, and his trade value probably won’t get much higher. now would be a great time to cash in on schneider if we had bob locked up.
on the flip side, we have to be realistic: the canucks have maybe an 8% shot at winning the cup next year. it would really really really suck to lose Bob for nothing next july.
anyway, long story short: PLEASE RE-SIGN, ITALIAN GOD OF GOALTENDING AND HANDSOMENESS!
the canucks have maybe an 8% shot at winning the cup next year.
In the words of Peter Griffin: “whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa……”
Your realism sounds too pessimistic for me. Have faith in Mike Gillis!
In the words of Peter Griffin: "whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa……"
Ha ha ha ha! but seriously you guys shouldnt even be considering this… at least right now. He is a fantastic goalie! One of the best in the league! You gotta be looking at re-signing him first! If you resign the twins, and can pick up a few good FA skill position players you have an excellent shot at winning the cup! Good Luck in the Off-season and into next season!
I gotta say, this is where I feel my inner Brett Hull or Sean Avery coming up. I don’t know how athletes keep their cool when this level of insanity hits them. My Luongo man crush would skyrocket if he just snapped back next time. Sorta like this guy.
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Our media is making my ears bleed
Yes, let’s scapegoat Luongo. Because running their star goaltender out of town really worked well for the Habs right? Nothing spells success like winning a grand total of four playoff series while the best goaltender in your franchise history pockets himself 2 more Stanley Cup rings with another team.
Let’s not stoop to that low. Instead, let’s remember our last decade of goaltending and be thankful that we have a goaltender of this caliber whose will to win and work ethic are second to none.
And ANOTHER thing
…now that the Caps are out, I assume the Washington media is drumming up the “trade Ovechkin” mantra correct? I mean, if the Vancouver press is legit with crucifying Luongo with their “can’t have too much money tied up in one guy” and “he hasn’t delivered in the playoffs” concepts then how different is Ovechkin who’s only made the playoffs twice, past the first round once and, in game seven last night, was completely shut down and ineffective? Surely Ovechkin should be judged by the fact his team is out in the second round and nothing more. Screw your trophies bub, don’t let the door hit yer arse on the way out.
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bad comparison
Ovechkin scored what, 10 goals in the series?
The problem wasn’t scoring in Washington, it was keeping them out of their net. Yeah Ovie needs to work on his defense (Crosby’s last goal he really should’ve backchecked, it was pathetic) but he still did what was expected of him. Lou did not play as well as expected which is the whole reason for the idea of trading him being brought up by the media.
However, if he had played lights out and they still lost, I honestly think that Gillis would be considering that option anyways, depending on Lou’s desire to re-sign and the need to see what Schneider has in the NHL.
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by Karina on May 14, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course it’s a bad comparison but that’s the point. If Luongo won game six and then lost game seven, or say he lost game 6 just 2-1. Or hell let’s say they made the conference finals and then got swept, I suspect the media would still be attacking him.
My comparisons with Luongo and Ovechkin are mockingly the same by the Province standards: they’re both big ticket, front and center guys of their respective teams and both have now, in two attempts, failed to bring the Cup to their team. It’s as asinine to suggest trading Ovechkin as it is Luongo with the exception of contract status.
However, if you read the articles, his contract and his willingness to ink an extension are almost secondary points (and hell, if this is how he is treated in a good year, why the hell would he want to be subjected to more of this?). Their main point was that Luongo failed and wasn’t good enough and I find that to be absurd; just as absurd as blaming Ovechkin.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 14, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
trade Ovechkin
i read this blog all the time but never say anything but this i cant let go, you stole my thunder i was going to make that same point, i had to stop listenig to the team some of thoes guys who call in (they only call in when we loose) and talk about trade luongo or the twins i just want to reach through the radio and rib their heads off, every team in the nhl builds there team from the goal out and i have faith in gills he is a smart guy
The problem in Washington? Oh, too many to list.
Nylander, Viktor Kozlov, a general lack of scoring depth and defensive system. I never got why they chose Theodore either. They are lucky Varlamov got them as far as he did. I think they should can the GM over there. His choice in free agent-picking is bunk. Oh man, and look what Leonsis said to me when he signed Kozlov, Poti and Nylander. Sorry Ted.
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
They had Huet. They could have KEPT him.
Now, Huet lets in soft goals, and he isn’t perfect. But compared to Theodore, Huet starts looking like Roy himself risen from the grave. Err… once Roy dies, anyway.
But the goaltending for Washington was pretty damned good, really. It’s just when your own defensemen are scoring for the other team, and your top six forwards don’t know how to backcheck, and you take an assload of stupid penalties because you don’t know how to backcheck, it’s going to catch up to you. I have to say I was laughing my ass off when it did. Wasn’t it Semin who was blasting Crosby just a few months ago? Suck it down, Semin.
…I am, by the way, legally obligated to root for the Pens now that the Nucks are down and out. Crosby being from my hometown and all.
Look upon my 62% faceoff win rate, ye mortals, and despair!
Can't I go anywhere for 5 days?
Just got back from Vegas and am still in denial about no longer being in the playoffs. I thought people would be rehashing what the hell happened and pointing the occasional finger at ( insert your favorite whipping boy here).
But of course, here in Vancouver, right after answering the obligatory, “how was your trip?”, I get to hear “Don’t check out the papers, trade Luongo has already begun”.
Seriously, after losing a hard fought series, which most of thought we were going to pull off, the only thing the Province and other outlets can pull out of their asses is this sensationalistic tabloid bullshit.
Embarassing. And since this is one of the primary outlets for mainstream hockey info, the thought that they represent the hockey fan in Vancouver is maddening.
I agree with you 100 percent Zanstorm.
Wow, this story won’t die. I’m sick of thinkin of this, obviously keeping Lou is the best bet for the Nucks. There are a few things though that need to be said.
1.) Lou seems to be more about himself than the team at times.
2.) 3 years here, 2 with playoffs where it ended poorly in the 2nd rd, and one year where Lou stunk the joint out in the last 7 games to miss entirely.
3.) He deserves full criticism for his play in the Chicago series. He expected to be better and we did also, so the fans are fully in there rights to wonder.
Overall, Lou has done well in a Van uni. And no-one disputes that, the question arises though over can he take this team all the way. He hasnt yet, and has shown to be somewhat of a question mark in big games.
I don’t wanna trade him. If he re-ups with hus, i’ll happily watch Gillis tinker with the lineup around him to make us a strong contender.
If he doesnt re-up, I have the common sense to see that he has to be shopped. We can’t risk losing him for nothing either. Thats what Gillis has to decide, and hopefully Lou lets us know what he and his family have decided.
And finally, isnt it nice to hear the Sedins talk openly about wanting to stay and win here. I wish Lou would be so transparent.
Look at what Nonis did with Ohlund, who also has a NTC by the way. He didn’t flog him because Ohlie didn’t make up his mind last summer. Instead he waited it out and we got a great year out of Mattias. The same will happen with Luongo, mark my words. IF there is an extension signed, it won’t be until later next season.
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a totally different situation. With Ohlund, we could have hoped for a high 1st rd pick or youngish “potential” forward.
With Lou, his return would be huge. We’re talkin 1st line player and draft picks. And even though tradin Lou is not on my wish list. If we could pry Tampas 1st pick + scraps for Lou, thats a deal that would have to be considered.
I’m convinced that teams with elite forwards and defence and average goaltending win more often than teams with mediocre forwards, defence and elite goalies.
I’m convinced that teams with elite forwards and defence and average goaltending win more often than teams with mediocre forwards, defence and elite goalies.
We’ve already got great goaltending and good D, one of the problems we ran into with Chicago is they didn’t have to worry about defending as much as we did because our forwards weren’t challenging them enough, which freed them up to concentrate on the attack more.
Sometimes the best defense is a good offense, and I think we were one or maybe two players away from the cup this year. Once Sundin and Ohlund are gone, we’ve just freed up a lot of money to spend on aquiring those two forwards. Not to mention Hodge is on the way up.
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by King Luongshanks on May 14, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
“IF there is an extension signed”??? Man, Gillis CAN’T gamble like that. The Nucks will table an offer over the summer, if Lou signs it then, then its all water under bridge. If Lou rejects it, then trading him becomes a very real possibility. I would be pissed to see one more year of Lou, and then seein him bolt for Philly or Montreal for nothing. It would be terrible asset management and I don’t wanna even think of the scenario.
yeah well get used to it :) It’s going to happen that way, man.
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The only legit claim any of these articles have is that IF Luongo wants out Gillis is better off moving him while GM’s have salary to burn. Not many teams are going into next season with a $7.5 million dollar cushion (if any). He can risk moving him into the season, but then he’ll have the issue hanging over the team’s head, the risk Luongo gets injured again, the risk the market dries up, etc. So, strategically, if Luongo wants out, this summer would be best.
If preseason rolls around and Luongo is still here, then you know an extension has to be coming (or Gillis is insane).
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by Yankee Canuck on May 14, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The only legit claim any of these articles have is that IF Luongo wants out Gillis is better off moving him while GM’s have salary to burn.
For sure. I just don’t want him to leave here because the media and 30% of the fanbase is a bunch of idiots.
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If preseason rolls around and Luongo is still here, then you know an extension has to be coming (or Gillis is insane).
He’s insane if Luongo DOESN’T want to move and is till here? Then I’d disagree.
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No sorry…I mean if Lui is still here, best bet is he knows an extension he’s agreeable to is in place and just being fine tuned.
If he wants out and admits that privately to Gillis this summer but he’s around when preseason starts, then I think Gillis is playing with fire a bit. But there’s so many other variables, including not just who eats that $7.5 million but what team will have the need in net with a decent shot at the Cup for him to waive his NTC? I gotta say, not too many. Think of all the playoff teams this year. All seem pretty set in net.
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by Yankee Canuck on May 14, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Except for St. Louis, haha.
I can’t think of many teams that can absorb that contract either. Then again, take away some free agents from some of these teams and you never know (plus via a trade route)
by Sean Zandberg on May 14, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
At least no one said yes!
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by Yankee Canuck on May 14, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Was it the same upstanding publication that challenged it’s readers to design a parade route in the break between series??
Not so keen in hindsight.
Damn Van-ronto media!
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by jealous broadcaster on May 16, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions
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