How important is it to have a player with Stanley Cup-winning experience on your team?
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 5:35 PM PDT
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The Canucks do not have one player on their team that has won a Stanley Cup, or even been in the Stanley Cup Finals. In my opinion, I think that having that type of experience on a team is important as it can become a calming factor if the team gets into trouble late in the playoffs. That is why I wanted Gillis to go out and acquire this guy.
As it stands, the only person in the Canucks organization that has a few Cup rings is Director of Player Personnel Lorne Henning from the Islanders Dynasty (as a player and coach).
Anyway,
I thought I had a sound theory that not one team that had won a Cup since say, 1970 had done so without having a Cup-winning player on their roster. After going through the rosters I found holes in my theory. So for your viewing pleasure and trivia purposes.....
-2008 Red Wings: many players on the roster who won the Cup in 2002.
-2007 Ducks: Scott Niedermayer
-2006 Hurricanes: Mark Recchi
-2004 Lightning: Brad Lukowich, Tim Taylor
-2003 Devils: Plenty of players still from the 2000 champion Devils
-2002 Red Wings: Many players from the 1997 and 1998 Cup winning teams
-2001 Avalanche: Sakic and co from the 1996 champion Avs team
-2000 Devils: Several Devils from the 1995 Cup win.
-1999 Stars: Carbonneau, Chambers, Keane, Skrudland, Ludwig, Zubov
-1998 Red Wings: See 1997, plus Jamie Macoun
-1997 Red Wings: Larry Murphy, Mike Vernon
-1996 Avalanche: Keane, Lemieux, Roy, Young
-1995 Devils: Claude Lemieux, Stephane Richer
-1994 Rangers: Messier and other ex-Oilers
-1993 Canadiens: Guy Carbonneau, Patrick Roy
-1992 Penguins: see 1991
-1991 Penguins: Coffey, Mullen, Young, Trottier
-1990 Oilers. Yeah. many.
-1989 Flames: FAIL! Unless I'm mistaken, there was not one Flame on that team that had won a Stanley Cup before.
-1987 and 1988 Oilers: Yeah.
-1986 Canadiens: Gainey, Robinson,
-1985 Oilers: See 1984
-1984 Oilers: It was close, but Rick Chartraw won 4 Cups with the Canadiens between 1976-1979
-1981, 1982 and 1983 Islanders: see 1980 Islanders.
-1980 Islanders: Call me nuts, but I don't think that one single Islander had a Cup ring in the first year of their dynasty.
-1976, 1977, 1978 and 1979 Canadiens: See 1973 Canadiens.
-1975 Flyers: See 1974 Flyers
-1974 Flyers: Another team that did not have a player on its roster that had won a Cup before, to my knowledge.
-1973 Canadiens: See 1971 Canadiens.
-1972 Bruins: See 1970 champion Bruins
-1971 Canadiens: Beliveau, Richard, Cournoyer, Lemaire, Ferguson, JC Tremblay, etc
-1970 Bruins: I don't think any of those guys had won a Cup before either.
For a complete list of the rosters, check out TML Fever.
So that would be 4 teams in the past 39 years that have won the Cup without an experienced Cup-winner on their team (unless someone corrects me). That's not a whole lot. It favors my opinion to some degree, no doubt, but its not a solid argument. But anything can happen.
It wasn't long ago that I thought a European captain would never captain his team to a Stanley Cup win. Thanks, Lidstrom, for breaking the barrier.
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Eh, I don’t know. A good amount of teams just have one.
Besides, who needs Cup experience when you have Ryan Walter? Checkmate Mr. Zandberg.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 8, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about Walter, actually.
I can remember how much the Rangers were talking about the experience factor in 1994, not that it’s all that cool to bring that up.
Walter’s experience should help. So will his power point presentations!
Whether I had a valid point or not, I wanted to post this as a visual. It’s been on my mind for a long time and none of us could say what the last team was that had won it all without a Cup-winner playing on their team.
BTW, “just one guy” with that experience on your team can make a difference.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No it’s an interesting list. Honestly when has Vancouver actually had a cup winner on it. Shannon doesn’t truly count. Messier? Ugh.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 8, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if that guy is a minor, non-leadership cog?
by rsm on Mar 8, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kissed Walter’s Cup Ring once.
And he pronounced me “capable and motivated”.
It was a spiritual encounter I shall never forget.
*The preceding event may or may not have happened as described
by Temujin on Mar 8, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can see the Sharks had this mindset in place by getting Lemieux, Blake, Boyle, Moen, etc. It’s not going to hurt to have those guys in the playoffs.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not going to hurt in the locker room, but I really don’t know how much Lemieux will help on the ice.
by rsm on Mar 8, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
canucks nation already talking stanley?
by Dustin Timberlake on Mar 8, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do the Flames have any? Besides Keenan?
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 9, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Roy and Cory Sarich, who both played for the Lightning’s Cup team.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 9, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there you go. Do the Bruins have any?
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 9, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correx
BESIDES Recchi!
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 9, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stephane Yelle (Avalanche) and Aaron Ward (Hurricanes). You can’t stop me. I’m all over this shit.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 9, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine!
Name another team in the top eight of either conference right now that doesn’t have a SC experience
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 9, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy, every team in the top in the East has a past Cup winner on it.
In the West, the Canucks are the only team that does NOT have a past Cup winner on it.
Oh yeah, it’s true.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 9, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See? So we’re special. That’s why the moms are traveling with them right now.
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by Yankee Canuck on Mar 9, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey if the Flames can do it, why can’t the Nucks?
by Linix129 on Mar 8, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the great research, Sean!
Acquiring Recchi just made Boston much more dangerous, and it keeps hurting to see news about Roberts having to retire…
We are all Canucks.
by Chinese Canuck on Mar 8, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you. You ar ethe only one who understands! haha
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you’d think they would have managed to offload him for a conditional if nothing else.
by rsm on Mar 8, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether you agree with me or not, I guarantee you’ll hear about this issue at some point.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Was already raised yesterday on the radio. It will be a favorite talking point now that the deadline is done. Goes hand in hand with 2nd guessing the GM.
by rsm on Mar 8, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously it would be nice to have a core group of guys who have went deep into the playoffs and even finals. We don’t. And its not gonna matter in the end. If we go deep this year, it will because we are playing well, not because we have/have-not some washed up Roberts/Recchi (sorry Zandberg). I think every player knows that the playoffs are a different things altogether, and even though it would be nice to have collective experience.We don’t.
by Nuckels on Mar 8, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s overrated. As a player, you either have it, or you don’t. Veterans, despite having the all out experience, should be more than capable of getting the younger guys to understand what it takes to go deep in the playoffs. By the time you reach the finals, you are either confident enough to compete, or you aren’t. This Canuck team had never beaten the Sharks…but did.
The ‘94 team didn’t have much and they were millimeters from taking game 7 into overtime. The 1980 US Olympic team didn’t have it…and they handed it to the Rooooskies and every other team in the tourney, except Sweden.
And then…as a team, if you do gain the experience of winning, as history has proven in recent years, its damn near impossible to use that experience to your advantage and win again the next year.
You either have it, or you don’t. Does this team have it? Only time will tell…
by GZ Expat on Mar 8, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At the 2006 trade deadline, teams made 25 trades involving 40 players and none had a more immediate impact than Mark Recchi. The 38-year-old was pivotal in leading the Hurricanes to a Stanley Cup. He had already won one with Pittsburgh in 1991; he had the experience and showed he still had the ability. With Erik Cole out (neck injury), Recchi provided an offensive spark for Carolina. Recchi posted six of his 16 postseason points in the Cup finals, including the winning goal in Game 4 that put Carolina up 3-1 in the series vs. Edmonton.
I can keep going if you’d like.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goes hand in hand with 2nd guessing the GM.
Yeah, and I hate to be that guy, because I’m a massive Gillis supporter. I’ll get over it eventually.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wanted: experienced NHL veteran who is willing to play a diminished role while still being an inspirational leader on and off the ice.
Check your ego at the door. Call 1-800-SUCCESS.
Interesting article about having balance between youth, speed, and experience. SOURCE
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“You need to have a team spirit. We had good team leadership with Scott Niedermayer. He showed us the way and we just followed him!”
JS Giguere right after the Ducks clinched a Cup win.
OK, I’m going to bed.
by Sean Zandberg on Mar 8, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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