Hurricanes 5 Canucks 3: Sloppy Seconds
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 5, 2009 2:04 PM PST
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I said in the game preview: Should be an automatic win, right? Nope. That depends on how lightly the Canucks take these guys. They have to go out there and pretend those guys are wearing Devils jerseys.
Didn't happen.
A so-so first..outshooting the Canes 14-6 but not capitalizing on 2 power play chances, and bagging one past Manny Legace (Jannik Hansen).
An atrocious 2nd period..getting outshot 13-6, coughing the puck up, hanging Andrew Raycroft out to dry (which Alain Vigneault alluded to after the game), and surrendering 3 goals. Yeah, the refs should have blown the play dead on that Mitchell-Raycroft fiasco, but really, the score could have been 6-1 at that point anyways.
The 3rd period was all Canucks,
as they put the heat on Carolina, who have had a terrible time in 3rd periods this year. It almost worked. The Canucks almost erased a 4-1 deficit and pulled within a goal, but Erik Cole, who, thanks to us, has awoken from his slumber and bagged his hat trick goal into the open net to seal it.
Final shots: Canucks 36 Canes 27.
8 points combined for Erik Cole, Eric Staal and Ryan Whitney.
Can you believe that Christian Ehrhoff finished a +3?
I thought Kyle Wellwood looked alright out there today. He was rewarded with over 15:00 of ice time. His line kickstarted the Canucks in the 3rd, and I thought dominated that period.
You almost can't fault Andrew Raycroft on any of those goals. But then...as myself and others have said many times before: he goes down into the butterfly position so quickly all the time. The Canes picked corners on him. Maybe a tremendous save or 2 were in order. I think it's fair to say that. None came.
BOXSCORE (bring barf bag)
HIGHLIGHTS (stab your eyes out first)
My 3 Stars:
1. Erik Cole. (Rise from your grave)
2. Ray Whitney (1 goal and 2 assists)
3. Manny Legace (Yeah, yeah, 3 goals against but I'm going to throw him a bone for giving his team a chance to win it especially in the first)
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Ouch. I didn't even remember they were playing. Nashville's not going to be an easy game either.
I’ve been keeping track of what they’re doing, since one of the two games I’m going to this year is against them in ~2 weeks.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
Nashville is rolling. Unreal. Local boy Dan Hamhuis is doing better I see.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 5, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't watch it either
but the radio guys were saying Raycroft was not really to blame and that your defence just went for a crapper in the second.
Guess if I’m going to miss one, this would be the one to miss.
I’m not sure if it was the unusually early game, or that the canucks were just too pleased with themselves to take Carolina seriously, but a lot of that game was very ugly.
I don’t know what it is about our team that makes us occasionally decide to make random opposing goalies look like Patrick Roy, but it sure is annoying. I was just glad we ended up getting 3 and making a game out of it.
The winning goal just shouldn’t have counted. Horrible reffing all game. Canes get a late penalty against on a phantom call, the icing in the last minute looked a little smelly too.
Seems the striped boys don’t like afternoon games either.
Good win for the canes…the second period was horrid.
But the Canucks should be mad going into Nashville after this one. PP should piss them off….bad defensive play in the second and third should piss them off.
A fucked goal that the ref should have blown his whistle on should REALLY piss them off.
Hilarious! Watching the Flames/SJ…Flames on a 5-3 the whole arena hears the “ping”, and Mark Lee says “Phaneuf may have hit the post.”
Putz.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
dan
seriously man, you blame the refs for every single loss, sure there’s the odd time a bad call / non-call might cost, but for the most part the calls even out, and there’s just no excuse for the way the Nucks played that game, they looked terrible through a good part of it and only decent in short bursts.
Yoata…like you so said so classy like to Casual a thread or two back…
Fuck You. ( Sorry everyone else, but I have had it with this immature little tool. The only way you can handle a bully on these threads is this…so…I apologize to everyone else. Even though we all know the OTHER way of dealing with bullies, yoata would never agree to getting close to the people he insults…because in addition to being a sad little troll, I suspect he is a coward)
That was a singular unique call on the goal. It was on the guys foot for fucks sake.
And who the fuck are you to continually judge people?
So I blamed the ref for three things that they did wrong, that anyone that has watched hockey can easily see was wrong. So what? They are called the breaks…Read the fucking post you loser, I said the other team deserved to win…do you always just pick one phrase out of context all the time? Are you some TMZ reporter or something?
Who in the fuck are you? The hubris to actually think your self appointed position of arbiter of what is right or wrong in any situation is a little tiring.
Come back with whatever you like you little pinhead. I’ll read it in a couple days when I need a laugh…I am sure it will attack my character and intelligence. Something along the lines of you are right and EVERYONE else on Nucks Misconduct is wrong if they don’t agree with you.
That is the classic definition of a troll my friends. Its what makes these threads less enjoyable.
Make your points in whatever manner you desire. Attack the other people all the time and you become a joke.
You do realize that most on these threads laugh at you right? That you have become a passe punchline?
Once again, my apologies folks, I know its not what these threads are for. But I have had it with this guy…consider this the last and only time you get my goat little man.
Because as a troll, you will just be ignored from now on…which I encourage others to do.
Maybe he will go back to CDC threads with the other kids…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
dude, you need to simmer down. yoata is not a troll, it’s just that he has a unique point of view about the game. seriously, we’ve seen trolls before, and yoata definitely isn’t one.
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GO CANUCKS GO!
Wow
touched a nerve I guess.
Maybe re-read what I posted dan, don’t see how anything I said there is deserving of any where near that venomous vitriol.
It wasn’t an attack on you it was just that I notice you excuse a lot of losses with blaming the refs, it wasn’t just one call, you do it all the time and I don’t think it does you credit.
Sorry to be the one to point it out but I doubt very much I’m the only one who notices it, it’s often the first thing you say post-game, and obviously you know it’s true which is why the ridiculously over-the-top reaction.
Dan,
As one who has had to listen to yoata in the past, I gotta say he’s not a troll, he’s a fan, albeit one with a very narcissistic personality. If it’s getting to you, just ignore him and let him sneer in isolation. Be well, my friend.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/index.html
BTW…even this guy thinks there should have been a whistle…he is just a lot nicer about it, because he has to be.
We don’t have to worry about having that ref call OUR next game!
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Do you guys even live remotely close to each other? I suggest a bar room fight and then a hug? This issue between the 2 of you is deep-rooted. I can understand both of your sides. I would suggest PM’ing each other when it comes to personal attacks though.
Look, maybe a refresher is needed.
I blew up…I apologized as well at the same time.
But it just gets to me when someone constantly pokes at or sneers at everything you say.
And if its about what I said, I was using the three bad calls, one for, one against, and one that affected the game to point out that the Canucks would be mad in their next game.
That a letdown then would not occur.
Then I have someone tell me I just slag on the refs. Its simply not what was meant, and I blew up. Dismissing it all because of taking one statement in isolation out of context. It happens a lot, and I reached that breaking point and showed immaturity.
Sorry.
I apologize. But really yoate, all you have to do is think a bit about what you say. Stop looking at every comment as something to be dissected on cross examination in a court room.
You are all right of course. He is NOT a troll. For some reason I let this guy get to me. I will endeavor to work harder on that.
In the meantime, in front of one and all, Yoata, you have my apologies for the outburst.
I am going to the box to serve my misconduct now…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Appreciate it dan
and I apologize as well for offending you, was not my intention, I just had noticed it more than once and it’s one thing I don’t care for in some other teams’ fans, so I mentioned it as reflecting unflattering on you, probably should have just kept my mouth shut as you said.
gone and forgotten afaic.
Its all good.
Now that we are both happy again…just one last thing.
I wasn’t complaining about the refs. Thats why I got so pissed. You labelled me by reading one sentence. I said there was horrible reffing all game…and that was backed up by the players and coaches all saying..in nicer words of course…the same thing.
Its that that pissed me off was all buddy…I was using the first paragraph to set up the second….the examples of why they should be pissed.
I used 3 circumstances in the game to say that the Canucks wouldn’t be taking their Nashville opponent lightly.
Thats what happens when you take things out of context. Its probably the reason we butt heads occasionally. Because you take one sentence out of context, and ignore the larger meaning.
Nonetheless…whatever…not worth losing sleep or hair about.
Like I said above, its all good.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Just couldn’t let it lie, could ya? :) I mean :(
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 7, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
No Sean…I couldn’t. Sorry if that gave you a little frown.
I don’t really care one way or another…but if he is going to say “I just had noticed it more than once and it’s one thing I don’t care for in some other teams’ fans, so I mentioned it as reflecting unflattering on you,”
…just understand where it was coming from, especially when the instance talked about was not even “complaining about the refs”.
Whatever…bit of a tempest in a teapot…but thats how I felt.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Still smiling Sean!
Come on you can do it…turn that frown upsidedown…maybe this will help…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhxK8P0h5Fk
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
that kid is just a tad larger than everyone else heh? Whammo!
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 7, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
ok
Maybe because I’ve reffed the game and know how impossible the job is I get tired of all the ref bashing quicker than most. I’m not above it completely, I’ll get pissed about it too on occasion, but try to keep it to when it’s something really obvious that should have been caught.
Could have been a bit quicker on the whistle but there was another time where they could have at the other end too, pretty much 50/50, don’t think anyone on the game thread complained about it really, mostly annoyed with Mitch iirc. If the Nucks played even 40 mins that goal becomes irrelevant, and really it wasn’t that bad a call, imo.
Actually
I thought we had sort of come to an understanding and were fine, and don’t see where I personally attacked him at all, I just equate the constant ref excuse thing to more homer-type fans than I’m used to seeing, but if he wants to believe losing reflects getting shafted by the refs, whatever.
yes, because he also says the Canes got stiffed too, which puts the “The winning goal shouldn’t have counted” into a different context. It should not have counted, but he’s not blaming the loss on that. It was more the “horrid second period”
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 6, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
It’s weird that they don’t review the penalty calls. You think they’d have overturned the penalty call if they saw Burrows get hit with the puck.
If the NHL goes down that road, where does it stop? Players will abuse it and games will be delayed too much.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 6, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
NFL has a good system, overall. Go ahead, challenge a call, but it’ll cost you if you’re wrong.
Then again, hockey is tougher to get the timing right on that sorta stuff cuz it’s a “flow” sport, whereas football naturally provides an opportunity after every play.
Me, I’d be happy to see the new NHL scale back the calls for what amount to “inappropriate touching.” I know the diff between a touch vs a holding call or a slash, and I wish they’d let the refs call them (or not) as such.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Go ahead, challenge a call, but it’ll cost you if you’re wrong.
That is a good point though. Much like the NHL dings a team for being wrong when calling for a stick measurement to an opposing player.
I wouldn’t see them adding another 2 minute minor for being wrong, cuz that’d make a 5 on 3, which is too stiff a price to pay. But I could see, say, turning a 2-minute penalty into a 3 minute penalty by, on unsuccessful challenges, charging the extra minute as a bench minor to be served by the guy already in the box.
On home ice, it’d bring the fans into the game too, chanting “challenge, challenge!”
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
I wouldn’t see them adding another 2 minute minor for being wrong, cuz that’d make a 5 on 3,
That’s not too stiff. That just keeps the whiners away and makes everyone else 100% there was a screw-up. The Canes having a jumbotron to look at didn’t hurt their chances. Then again..with jumbotrons up there, why don’t the refs take a quick look at that instead?
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 6, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
It’s too stiff cuz so many calls are borderline. An extra minute’d be plenty.
Mind you, I’m in a good mood right now, ask me again when I’m grumpier and you might get a different response!
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
And so, with so many borderline calls..I will stick to my original point that it will be abused and games will be delayed too much because of it.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 6, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Probably … but maybe not if you include the 1-minute “cost” for a challenge. In any event, they’d try it in the AHL first and see what happened.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
I don’t think the NHL should ever introduce any type of challenge on a penalty. They don’t do it in any other sport. You can’t challenge a penalty call in the NFL. Holding, pass interference etc etc are non challengeable. They review goals and that is all they should do. Penalties are judgement calls. There would be WAY too many delays if teams challenged calls and what makes anyone think the ref would see it differently upon review? Human error happens and you have to live with it. It all evens out by the end of the year.
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