On This Day In Canucks History: December 4
by Yankee Canuck on Dec 4, 2009 2:36 PM PST
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December 4th, 1996: Jyrki Lumme tops Doug Lidster as Vancouver's all-time leading scoring defenceman after a first period tally against the Buffalo Sabres. Lumme's record would stand for almost 13 years before Mattias Ohlund passed him in March last season. Ohlund's record now stands at 325 points whereas both Lumme and Dennis Kearns have 321 each. The closest roster player with a shot at Ohlund's record is Sami Salo who has 179 points, good enough for 9th best in team history.
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I liked Lumme. His biggest problem was that he wasn’t photogenic at all. He looks like he wet himself in almost every pic out there. Seriously, google it. Poor guy.
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by Yankee Canuck on Dec 5, 2009 5:18 AM PST up reply actions
One of the best danglers this team has ever had. I remember seeing him keep the puck on a string in the other team’s zone countless times. And scoring some sweet goals.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Oh yeah, he could sure work the puck well and speed the play up ice. I just equate Vancouver’s horrendous D in the 90’s with guys like Murzyn and Lumme, for example.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 5, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
Question: Who on the current team has the best chance of topping Ohlund?
My gut says that Edler will get there. Bieksa probably won’t be around long enough.
In today’s NHL? In a cap world? It’s gonna be tough. Gotta extend Edler long term.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 5, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Lumme had
one thing that is in short supply in dmen in general and especially Nuck dmen it seems… poise, he had poise with the puck, patience and no panic, if a play could be made, he’d make one, if not, put the puck in a safe place.
Not perfect by any stretch but had some damn good seasons in the early/mid 90s and some nice playoffs too.
Lumme was given the Babe Pratt trophy 4 times in the 90s. Clearly one of the top D men in Nucks history.
It’s pretty sad when Lumme is one of the best D men in our history.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 7, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
OK, Sean, give us your top 3.
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Top 3:
1. Borje Salming
2. Tomas Kaberle
3. Whoops, wrong team..;)
Ok,
1. Mattias Ohlund
2. Doug Lidster
3. Harold Snepsts
And that still doesn’t say much about our D over our history. No superstars like a Paul Coffey, Brian Leetch, etc
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 7, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
It is also sad when Trevor Linden is the best forward in your teams history. And Kirk McLean is the best goalie in your teams history. Doesn’t really compare to Gretzky, Fuhr and Coffey. Or even LaFontaine, Sutton and Hasek.
Who said Linden was the best? Definitely the most popular.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Well he is one of two guys who have their jersey’s retired so I went with him. I don’t think he is the best in terms of ability or even numbers but most Canucks fans seem to think so.
I agree, Section. Linden..Naslund..same diff. Nothing to be overly proud about. Bure could have been pretty damned special had he stayed here longer and not blown his knees out.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 7, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah and Larionov wasn’t here long and was on the downside of his brilliant prime. Bure is the most talented goal scorer in team history but like you say not here long enough and not healthy enough late in his career to be considered an all time great which he might have been if he had gotten 4 or 5 more years. Might have gotten to 600 career goals with a little more luck.
Bure was the most talented player ever to play in Vancouver. Unless there was somebody on the Blazers I missed.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Well Larionov might be the most talented ever player to play here (Messier?) although he was on the downside of his prime when he was here. Bure didn’t have much to his game other than speed and sick hands. He was pretty physical but wasn’t a good two way guy. So most talented offensive player in team history? Maybe. Goal scorer. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hockey player? Nope.
Off the cuff here, Y-man, if you had to , who would you name as the all-time Canuck?
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Naslund
3x first team all-star
Pearson
3 times in contention for the scoring lead.
Hart nomination
No other Canuck comes close to those credentials.
No Jerry Korab? No Jim Schoenfeld? No Phil Housely?
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
I was born in 1982 I don’t remember Housley being a Sabre. I did think about Schoenfeld after I had already posted the list but whatever I think Sutton can still count.
Admittedly I might be the only one who thinks of Sutton first. I always thought he was pretty good. Ramsey was floating around in there but Sutton was the first one to come out. In hindsight not the best choice.
I do often confuse guys in my memory banks. But in my defense there are a lot of players floating around up in my noggin. Junior B, senior hockey, WHL, NHL etc etc.
Ouch. Sure nobody comes close to Naslund’s creds, but Naslund didn’t have the balls that Smyl and Linden did. Finesse is great and all, but it doesn’t win championships.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Linden and Smyl
win championships?
IMO Linden didn’t have half the balls Smyl had either, Linden was actually a pussy, especially for a guy his size that liked to throw big hits.
Naslund didn’t have 1 thing that Smyl and Linden had and that’s playoff goaltending with it, he’d have gotten his team to the finals too, without it Smyl and Linden wouldn’t have.
Gretzky didn’t have half Naslund’s balls but not too many are going to put Ryan Smyth ahead of him as a soiler just because he was a more physical player.
Ok you make a good point about Smyth. And yeah, good point about Naslund and the goaltending.
He was a perimeter player though. Had no guts. Those qualities don’t hang from the rafters at GM Place IMO. Harsh, yes. But I’ve never faltered on my opinion on that.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 8, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
True enough. You’ve never wavered from being wrong about Naslund. Haha.
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Mediocre players with guts get their jersey’s retired but not great players? No wonder we are a laughing stock around the league for having Smyl and Linden up there.
Well, Stan Smyl was not mediocre!!
Both contributed hugely to the organization and still do. I think the laughing stock is that they never won a Cup, or reached 100 points, and that Vancouver in general has never had a superstar that stuck around long enough.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 8, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
One of my co-workers is an Oilers fan. Believe me he is laughing at Smyl and Linden being in the rafters. Not that they are in the rafters, but that their jersey’s are. Wouldn’t that be a strange tradition? If the player had to hang out in the rafters like in a glass box during games.
Tell your co-worker hockey wasn’t invented in Edmonton. I’m laughing at what a crap team the Oilers have become.
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Sure
he suffered from lack of confidence after the Moore thuggery, but you made it sound like he was some shrinking violet type his whole career.
Oh BTW, his “lack of confidence” after the Moore hit only shows how fragile he was, if that was the case.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Refresh your memories, please.
What a shame the way this great player was treated in his final year or two as a Canuck.
I have always thought highly of Naslund although in the Crawford area he was a noted floater. But he put up numbers. Just wasn’t elite long enough to be considered an all time great.
Nobody on
that Crow team gave a rats ass about D, except Mo because he had a conscience, they weren’t asked to, Crow knew about as much about D as AV does about O.
However, Naslund did play a much more responsible game and put a lot of effort into defense and positioning under AV, and got shafted for his efforts.
That’s the price you pay for producing to a certain level for a 3-4 year period. You are expected to keep producing at that level and if you don’t the poop hits the fan.
Two headed coaching monster? Bring back Crow? AV for the D and Crow for the O? It even rhymes.
Hey, Naslund was eating up a shitload of payroll and not performing. He was a fail in the last few seasons. He did learn to backcheck under AV and that was a good thing. Then he whined his way out of here. Fuck him.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
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