Your Team Canada Men's Hockey Team....
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 9:29 AM PST
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In Goal:
Martin Brodeur - Roberto Luongo - Marc-Andre Fleury
On Defence:
Drew Doughty, Dan Boyle, Scott Niedermayer (captain), Chris Pronger (A), Shea Weber, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook. B.C. Boys represent!
Forwards:
Patrice Bergeron, Sidney Crosby (A), Jarome Iginla (A) ,Rick Nash, Brenden Morrow, Eric Staal, Mike Richards, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Dany Heatley, Jonathan Toews, Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf
To get a better idea of how deep the Canadian talent pool is, check out jevant's Team B post here.
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So happy that Doughty made it.
Baby Crosby got Alternate.
"I was thinking it would be cool to see a game on the road. I have been looking all over this atlas but I don't see Vancouver anywhere. What state is this sh*t in!?"
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by eightyseven on Dec 30, 2009 10:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Nobody thinks the Bergeron selection is out of left field?
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
I was surprized mainly because they took Bergeron over Doan, but i think they’re trying to bring back chemistry between Bergeron and Crosby
Space Weed Says Telling it like it is without a care about the mainstream's feelings
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 30, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t Bergeron and Crosby play on the same line at the World Juniors before? Yzerman seems to be going for quick chemistry.
I wanna know if Mike Green banged somebody’s wife to have not been selected.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Caught Babcock’s interview. He very quietly said that he liked Drew Doughty because “unlike other offensive D-men, he doesn’t come with a high risk factor.” (Going from memory here, but that’s pretty close to his exact words)
I think we have our answer.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Think Crosby, Staal, and Nash will be a line? They could skate out singing ‘We are stardust we are golden…’
Uh…maybe only a few of the readers here will get that…
Uh…maybe only a few of the readers here will get that…
If they’re too Young.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Can’t really disagree with the D. Arguments could be made for other players, but it’s not like those players they chose aren’t Olympic caliber.
Bergeron was kind of surprising but he is having a good year, so it’s not a terrible pick. But Staal? Really? Wow. He’s having an awful year and there are players with better track records having better years,
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 12:18 PM PST reply actions
I think with Staal, it more what he has done in the past, and how well he would fit in with Perry and Getzlaf…that will be a banging, intense line that can still dangle and dazzle.
I’m totally OK with the entire team. Bergeron, from what I remember of catching Bos. highlights, is having a good season, and he is a versatile guy that can kill penalties, win a faceoff, still has talent, and has chemistry with Sid. Maybe I would have put Doaner in there instead of Mike Richards, but every Cdn. will quibble a bit…its what we do!
Mike Green I would have taken too Sean…but who do you take out of who they took…Doughty?, Seabrook? Both those guys earned their spot with great play.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Bottom line, I trust Yzerman’s judgment. I don’t really care if Green didn’t get in. As long as we win I don’t care.
Still strange though. Green is leading the league in D-men scoring and +/-. Damn that’s almost like passing over Paul Coffey!
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
As has been discussed at JR, rightly or wrongly (I’d argue wrongly) Green has the reputation of being poor defensively and being a choker in the big games. While I’d like to think the scouts and execs. could get around this reputation to actually see the player, but that’s not necessarily the case.
Green also is not as solid defensively as most of the D that were picked, but his O game is easily better than any of theirs. I can understand not choosing him in a short single elimination tournament as he is more prone to gaffs, and those gaffs have a greater potential to seriously hurt a team in a tournament of that nature.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Personally I would have probably taken Brad Richards over Staal (or St. Louis). They both are having better years, and have a better (if you ask me) history than Staal. At least they didn’t choose J. Staal. (I have no real rooting interesting for Canada what with being American and all, I just want to see the best players there).
As for Green I would have considered replacing Doughty for the number 7 spot. But I think my most likely choice would be Boyle as they are a similar role, and at this point in the game I think Green’s O is better.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Good points Elmo. Brad Richards is having a better season too. I am still OK with the roaster as is though. Eric Staal can be a beast coming off the wing, has speed to burn, and will be enthused to take all the doubts he will read over the next month and a half and shove them back in our faces.
Green IS the best O talent on D’ in the league, but you nailed exactly why he isn’t on the team. Those gaffes have the potential to put your team on the outside. Plus, the talent he assembled on D’ is pretty damn good at the offensive side of things too.
Green may be the Ferrari, but the guys on the blue line are not exactly a bunch of lemons either. All of them can move the puck up pretty well too.
I really do think its more a case of Doughty playing his way onto the team over Green based on his overall game. The media tells me that Doughty was probably the most heavily scouted of all the players that made the team.
He just kept doing nothing wrong and everything right.
Look at it this way, Green is rested and motivated for a Cup run in Washington…still pretty good for a Caps fan!
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Yeah, I personally wouldn’t mind if there wasn’t a single Cap in the Olympics (turns out there are 5 and one that was just traded) so they can get their rest. And hey maybe it makes Green hungry to prove his worth (he’s been snubbed from multiple things he legitimately deserved to be on recently, IIRC).
But as you said, the Canadians have a ridiculously deep talent pool. So much so that there’s not a huge enough gap between the the players that made it and the players that didn’t make that you can say that they definitely got it wrong (unless you ask me about Staal, but maybe it’s just cause I hate that guy). This isn’t a case of black and white.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s mostly the first impression type thing. He got walked last year in the series against the Penguins. People ignore that he had a bum shoulder, and was awesome the year before when he wasn’t injured. But that high profile series against the Penguins made a first impression that lasts.
He does have more giveaways (or did last year) than a lot of defensemen, but he also carries the puck a lot more. By nature of his game he’s going to be making mistakes that are more noticeable since his game depends on pinching in the O zone and skating it/making that first pass out of the D zone.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope this is sarcasm… but he had 8G, 6A +5 in that series. Definitely wasn’t a fail. There are other players to look to (Semin comes to mind).
A more appropriate comparison would be Mike Richards. He was pretty terrible in the series against Pitt, but he gets the pass for his bum shoulder and made the team. Why is this? My guess would be because Richards is the Ontario Angel.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
it was Semin I meant, but yeah what about M. Richards or look at Marleau’s playoffs the last two years. Toews had 3 points and was -3 against the Wings last year, Bergeron hasn’t exactly lit it up in the postseason, guess forwards get a pass.
Doughty has never even played a playoff game.
Babcock has already stated the real reason very elegantly. I quoted him above.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Don't see
how anybody could know that, the kid is barely 20 and never been tested at the highest level.
If Semin is Canadian I don’t think he makes the team. But I don’t think it’s because of the Penguins series. He was far better in the Rags and Philly series, and I don’t think the Pens series is indicative of his postseason play.
The reason I don’t see him making Team Canada in this case is because he’s maddeningly inconsistent. You don’t know if you’re going to get the Semin that pulls moves and shots that make Datsyuk’s jaw drop, or the Semin that commits 3 offensive zone penalties in the 3rd. And in a short single elimination tournament you’re going to want to know what you’re getting from each player night in and night out.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Then
Why Pronger on the team? He takes a lot of undisciplined penalties too, Weber also has that tendancy, Iginla too.
For Iginla (and to an extent, Pronger) it’s their experience and leadership. I wouldn’t really say Iggy Pop’s penalties are undisciplined, but he plays with an edge (like Dustin Brown) that lends itself to penalties, and he’ll answer the bell when the other team needs to be held honest. Pronger’s an All-Star defenceman, and while he has cheap shots, he brings more to the team.
From both of those players, they make take an untimely penalty, but you know you’re going to get effort from them, and you know which game you’re going to get from them. The same cannot be said for Semin.
Weber, in my opinion, has the same issues as Pronger and Iginla, minus the experience. He plays rough, and may take a penalty, but you know what you’re going to get from him.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yzerman seems to want a guy who goes +1, +1, +1, +1 over a guy who goes +2, +2, +3, 2. Sure the second guy’s total +/ would be better, but it’s a short tournament and you can’t afford the -2 game at the wrong time. And there are no awards for winning big in the other games; just win, that’s plenty.
Green’s high-risk factor seems to be something that Yzerman believes to be true and Yzerman is a better judge of hockey talent than any of us will ever be. I’ll trust him on this one.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
USA! USA! USA!
Forget this Canadian team, it’s going to be another 7th place finish for them!
by Temujin on Dec 30, 2009 3:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
You don’t want Kesler to do well?! Who’s traitorous now?
(U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!)
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
No! I want Kesler to suck! I want him to be a perimeter player so he doesn’t get hurt. Die Americans die! You’re no match for us!
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Part of that is fairly harsh. I thought we were friends tear.
(But yeah, the Americans are no match for the Canadians, barring miracle work from Miller/Parise-Stastny-Kane/The top D (probably Suter/E Johnson/Gleason)). Especially Miller.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
oh sure, i’d like him to do well, just not against canada is all.
check out my blog at canuckpuckbunny.blogspot.com
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler."
GO CANUCKS GO!
Fair enough.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll second what missy said. Still friends?
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Deal!
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Quebec is giving us all three goalies and Bergeron.
BC is giving us 4 of the defencemen.
Cool.
Also, the Canucks are the most diverse when it comes to Olympians, being the only NHL team with players representing 5 different countries. You can make that 6 when Kesler makes the cut.
Great list from the Nashville guys. Just wondering what everyone thinks, if it will be the teams at the top of that list in terms of players in the Oly party that will come out of the break smoking, or all the teams that only have 1-3 players that played in Vancouver that have the advantage?
Yeah, you are right Sean Temujin had us all fooled! Did you see how fast he turned…hmmmm
Then these cool Caps guys show up and charm us just before the games, trying to lull us into complacency…or maybe this Steckel guy is a sleeper agent or something.
Its a conspiracy! Or something…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Canada is screwed anyway. They’ll be crushed under the mighty power of Team Germany.
(/crickets chirping/)
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