Bieksa Cut Again, Canucks Place Mathieu Schneider On Re-Entry Waivers / UPDATES!
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 12:08 PM PST
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Imagine that. Bad luck has struck Kevin Bieksa again, as he was cut just above the left ankle by Petr Prucha's skate as he pasted him into the boards. The Vancouver Sun reports that Bieksa was leaning heavily on crutches after the game and would not comment much about it. An MRI may suggest that he will miss weeks of action.
Now, in a huge case of irony, the Canucks will call up Mathieu Schneider, who will have to clear re-entry waivers first. A team can claim him at a fraction of the cost, so we'll see what happens there. The Sun states that if Schneider does not clear waivers, Aaron Rome will replace Bieksa. I thought that was happening already, which was part of the reason Schneider left. This could get "tricky".
UPDATE: The Province is reporting that Willie Mitchell got hit with a shot in practice this morning, dropped his stick, and limped off the ice, muttering and swearing. He did not return to the ice. The puck struck his thumb. He'll be fine for Thursday's game.
UPDATE: 12:06PM: Just to clarify the Mathieu Schneider situation: He cleared waivers this morning, but the Canucks and Schneider have agreed to part ways. Schneider will not be recalled or play in a Canucks jersey ever again. Thanks, Matt....for nothing.
UPDATE 2:00 PM: Rather than put him on re-entry waivers, the Canucks are still actively trying to trade Mathieu Schneider.
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Well, I kinda hope Schneider doesn’t clear waivers, or if he does he comes back as a man on a mission. Frankly he had been kind of a pylon out there, and I’d almost prefer a young call up who’s fast and hungry, and maybe a bit mistake prone but also capable of keeping up.
I think a big concern is that Salo’s looked slow and lazy for several games now; it’s almost like our top 4 lately have been Mitchell, Errhoff, Edler and…don’t cringe, haters…O’Brien. I thought SOB had another really good game last night, and if Bieksa’s gone for a long time I think he has to find even one more gear. I’d like to see him do it…
Except for his trying to engage Aucoin last night, resulting in a 2 on 1.
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Wasn’t that funny though Smo’…sure….like the guy pitching a whiffle ball to his son and getting it back in the nuts…but still.
Fun. Was amazed the refs let that go. Though it looked like they had a flight a few times there at the end….like Kes getting a stick in the face twice in about 3-4 shifts with no call.
Watching Aucoin talking to him going up the ice…like he was saying…“what, are you fucking stupid…2 ON 1!!!”
But yes, apart from that, he had a wonderful game. I especially like how he has the confidence and skills to skate it out of trouble the past few games.
Always had the latter, nice to see the former develop.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
This is dicey. If another team claims him on recall waivers, then the Canucks will have to pay half his salary, but more importantly, I think that half counts against our cap. Might another team claim the guy at half-price on a “what have we got to lose” basis?
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Definitely possible. I’m keeping my fingers crossed, hoping that doesn’t happen.
Just call me Jay...
I’m also thinking MG wouldn’t have done this had he thought that a team would pick him up. I’m also hoping that the rumour-monger’s suggestion that we might be going after Team Canada Captain Scott Neidermayer might be true.
by Beantown Canuck on Dec 30, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Neidermayer would be an awesome deadline acquisition for the Canucks.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 30, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hey-with Schneids gone, Rome was our 7th d-man. So we didn’t urgently need him.
Edler-Salo
Mitchell-???
Ehrhoff-SOB
(or whatever the pairs are)
Basically, that ??? can be Rome for sure. So whether Schneids gets picked up by another team or not, we’ve still got a player for that slot.
by Beantown Canuck on Dec 30, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions
I’m not worried at all. I like Aaron Rome.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
According to Botch on Twitter, there is no way Schneider will be on re-entry waivers or re-join the team. Take that for what it is worth. Rome it is!
by Sweet Monkey Action on Dec 30, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions
Schneider
What
A
Dick
!
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Yep…like I said last night on one of the other Matheiu threads.
You have to do it. He becomes a cancer, bitching about ice time and having the media here bring it up EVERY time they talk about him.
He had to go. Its too bad…MG brought in a former client he thought was going to be that veteran presence, and it turned out that Schneids is not the guy he thought he was.
Shut up and play…you may lose the bonuses, but 1.55 mil is still a pretty decent wage a for a 40 year old that hadn’t done enough to impress anybody. Especially after being overpaid last year! The Canucks have been an organization that will notice and reward sacrifice…shutting his mouth and getting better in practice instead of walking out on his team would have been the right thing to do. A vet like him should have known it too, instead of acting like a selfish rookie!
Its really not MG’s fault that Schneider turned out to be a bigger dick than his former agent thought he was…
Peace
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
There’s more to this story I get the feeling. Always is.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I never liked the Schneider pick up to begin with. It was another dart throw in the dark at a player past his prime…and yet another former MG client pick too…and an injured one at that too…and sounds like he has some diva issues. Grand.
2010 resolution: steer clear of the vast majority of 35+ year olds and those who used to pay MG.
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by Yankee Canuck on Dec 31, 2009 5:52 AM PST up reply actions
I think he was hedging his bets between Schneider and Ehrhoff cuz he prob didn’t know till the last minute whether he’d really get Ehrhoff or not. And he made sure to sign Schneider to a low-cap, one-year deal that included the right to send him to the minors. As a hedge, it was no big deal … well, mostly cuz Ehrhoff became Blastoff instead of Errorhoff, but hey, that’s what hedges are all about.
Amongst younger guys, Spezza and Cammaleri come to mind as former clients of his. He’s careful to keep the terms short w/the older guys, but w/Demo I do think he underestimated the guy’s brittleness.
Anyone know of a list of all of his former clients?
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Dart throw
exactly, pretty much sums up Gillisgan’s GM style, not to mention AV’s offensive coaching philosophy, no wonder they get along.
You think some people might have overrated the guy and won’t admit it now?
09-17-2008, 11:45 AM
Name the top 10 NHL defensemen
Lidstrom
Niedermayer
Pronger
Rafalski
Zubov
Boyle
Chara
Gonchar
Campbell
Schneider
by yoata
It’s possible, I guess.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Yeah
don’t post anything more relevant (recent) that I’ve said about Schneider, like this posted pre-season:
http://www.nucksmisconduct.com/2009/9/12/1027664/samuelsson-believes-in-vancouvers#21098279
At his age he might make more of a contribution than Schneider at his.
Posted Sept. 12.
How’s that for “hindsight” spinmeister?
Oh boo! Don’t you have a Wings game to watch?
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 31, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
@yoata
BTW, I approved of the Schneider signing in the beginning. I don’t think many could have projected him sucking this bad. So let’s all shit on Gillis in hindsight! Yay!
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 31, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn't care less
if everyone in the world approved of it at the beginning, including me, point is it was a failed move by Gillisgan, one one more to throw on the pile by him.
By your comments here and on other threads on the topic, it’s clear that you are genuinely confused, most especially about the “bonus cushion” but also about the concept of hedging.
You would do well to learn them before replying. The legend at nhlnumbers.com can explain the former; any decent dictionary the latter.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
WTF
does “bonus cushion” or “hedging” have to do with the FACT that this was a FAIL by Gillisgan???
Other than as yet another spin by you to make excuses for the koolaid pisser that is obviously your god?
For example
let’s take this obvious horseshit excuse of “hindsight” of yours and apply it to all the moves you have said in the past were fails by Nonis and Burke, shall we?
Or does that weak garbage only apply when the topic is Gillsgod?
Why?
Please tell us, Ohh God of the Puck…please teach us of your wisdom.
Why is Gillis so bad? Because you say he is? You NEVER offer proof when proven wrong, but just try to shout down others with insults and whatnot.
People like casual, Sean, myself and many others have given you numerous examples of why we have a high opinion of Gillis. But you never give us a reason why not. Just because “I say so”.
That’s childish. Elementary school kids debate like that.
All you do is change your opinions with the vagaries of the wind when you are caught in a doublespeak misinformation spiral, like casual has shown on several occasions.
The man is a better GM and man than you will ever be. He has been more honest with the fans, and more open about what he is doing than Burke or Nonis ever was. He has NOT traded away high draft picks for nothing like they did. He has created a better TEAM than either one.
But hey, look down your nose at my opinions too. I have only followed hockey the last 40 years…what do I know compared to the all powerful and wise Yoata!?
But hey, keep going with these laughable statements and your cutesy nicknames.
Its great entertainment, and it makes everyone laugh at you and respect your opinion less, not more.
OK…now…come back with more of the expected dismissive insults. I can’t wait…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Uh
that post was in reply to casual, not you.
And no you have not stated why Gillis is so exempt from any and all criticism, or even why he’s so great in your mind or anyone’s.
A better man? Based on what? Wow, talk about childish, gulp down that koolaid, and when he’s gone, your opinion of him will be too I’m sure.
Bonus cushion must be included in a proper calculation of cap hit. Only the base salary is certain to count; the bonuses are provisional and if earned can count against this year’s cap or be deferred to next year. So Schneider’s cap hit was $1.5m (or maybe $1.55m, something like that) not $2.75m, cuz he had $1.2m of potential bonuses included in the higher figure. Had he earned those bonuses it wouldda meant he was well worth the cost. That’s WTF bonus cushion matters for. Gillis knew this; you did not.
(And actually Schneider’s bonus cushion was more like 900k by the time he was cut because he could not possibly, at that point, have achieved his 70 game bonus of 300k and maybe not even his 60-game bonus either)
Schneider did not work out but his signing was a good one; a top-10 d-man (by your own estimation) with Stanley Cup experience for $1.5m, all wrapped up in a contract that let the team cut him if it didn’t work out.
Good deal, actually, and well worth the try. And good on Gillis not to contract the team into a corner such as Ottawa did w/Heatley. Instead, we tried the player, he didn’t work out, and we were able to part ways w/little consequence to the team.
Good thing that Gillis did all that. I guess he knew that Schneider wasn’t really a top 10’er, even though others were demonstrably fooled. He signed him to little more than a glorified tryout contract. It made a nice hedge in case Ehrhoff didn’t work out.
Who? Ehrhoff, I said, Christian Ehrhoff. If you haven’t heard of him, he’s the best +/- D-man in the league, who scored the gwg last nite, and whom Gillis acquired for essentially nothing. Ottawa, for example, had to give up Heatley to get Malhotra. Gillis gave up Patrick White to get Ehrhoff. I know which deal I prefer.
Point to Gillis, who wouldda been negotiating w/Schneider thru the off-season even as he tried to swing the deal for Ehrhoff. Ended up w/both.
Bonus Cushion = Total amount of 09/10 Bonuses (a team can go over the Cap limit by this amount up to a maximum of 7.5% of the Cap limit, which is $4.26 million for the 09/10 season)
Hedge: to mitigate a possible loss by counterbalancing (one’s bets, investments, etc.).
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
LMAO
You definitely are the spinmeister.
signing was a good one
Good deal
Good thing that Gillis did all that.
little more than a glorified tryout contract.
Comparing a deal for Schneider which was an obvious overpayment for a #7, to a deal for one of the best goalscorers in the game who is also 10 years younger??? Are you on glue?
Nice hedge??? How the fuck is a guy that cant crack our top 7 a nice hedge for anything glueball?
Wow, you are totally delusional and obviously capable of rationalizing anything to feed your delusion.
Again I will ask you, has Gillisgod ever made a mistake? Anything he could possibly be criticized for in any way whatsoever?
Spinning this fiasco with Schneider into a great and wonderful thing??? You’re freakin looney tunes man.
And AGAIN, COMPLETELY FREAKIN IRRELEVANT to my point which is that REGARDLESS OF "hedging| or “bonus cushion” or whatever other BS you want to try and spin, THIS WAS A FAILED RESULT.
One of us talks, the other shouts. Pretty easy to tell which one knows he’s got the stronger case.
Gotta go. Hope you can get your caps-lock key fixed.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Nice copout spinnerboy
Caps become necessary to provide the emphasis on the key points that have been repeatedly “missed” by those incapable of comprehending simple concepts like whether or not an acquisition has been a success or failure.
Though to some any piss their gods shoot down their throats is mighty tasty stuff no matter how putrid.
LIAR
by your own estimation
This was my estimation of Schneider before this season started:
I like Lukowich
If he hasn’t lost a step.
At his age he might make more of a contribution than Schneider at his.
If Luko clears waivers my guess is that estimation will be proven correct.
What Gillisgan didn’t know was that he acquired a “hedge” for Erhoff when he acquired Erhoff…
But keep spinning and keep lying, wouldn’t expect any more from you.
Hey, check out this article about Schneider getting into a verbal fight with Patrick Roy.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting article. Good catch, Sean, thanks.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
saw it on twitter. I can’t take too much credit ;)
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Lukowich
Are we 100% certain that someone else would claim him if we called him up?
Other than the possible 1/2 his salary against the cap hit, is there any reason not to try?
His full cap hit would make it very difficult to bring back Demitra or make any other roster alterations.
Check out the math on the earlier MS thread, but without his salary, it’s a bit of a stretch to work in Demitra. Adding Luko’s would make it nearly impossible.
Gotcha, thanks.
Regrettably, we look to have some LTIR relief from Bieksa headed our way as well though.
That’s very true. I would surmise the LTIR for Bieksa will pay for a Moose call up to temporarily take his place.
If Bieksa is gone for weeks, the team should send Schneider and another player down, activate Demitra, which put the team right at the cap, and then invoke the LTI cap relief. After these transcations, the Canucks would then be allowed to add player(s) up to the amount of Bieksa’s salary.
Here is the post from yesterday, where people did some excellent work on the cap implications of Demitra’s return
The Canucks may just have enough cap space to have Demitra back once Schneider is gone, especially if the team decides to send another forward down when Demitra returns. According to one web site (nhlnumbers.com), the Canucks currently have a cap space of $2.289M. If Schneider is gone, the team gains another $1.55M. With another minimum wager sent down ($0.5M roughly), the team would have $4.33M in cap space, just enough to fit Demitra’s $4M. My feeling is that either Glass or Hansen gets sent down. If Wellwood is gone, it’d most likely be through a trade.
isn’t Demitra’s salary pro-rated to how much of the season he’s playing? It’s roughly half the season, so don’t they only need about $2 mill of cap space?
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by Karina on Dec 30, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
In short, no. The LTI cap relief is not as simple as excluding the injured players’ cap hit from the team’s total. The injured player’s cap hit still counts, but the team is allowed to exceed the cap while the player stays on IR. The difference is that a team doesn’t save any cap space when the player returns. In other words, the team cannot keep Demitra on IR for half a season and expect to save $2M in cap space when he returns (and use the saved $2M to bring in another Demitra-type player in the 2nd half). Once the player comes off IR, the cap relief ends and everything is the same as if the injury never happened.
The Caps lived and died by LTIR exemptions last year.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Did it come back to bite them in the ass at any point?
Please allow me to adjust my pants, so that I may dance the good time dance, and lead the onlookers and innocent bystanders into a trance.
Sort of. They never actually exceeded the Cap, so there was no punishment. But they couldn’t ice there best team on a nightly basis (I think Alzner should have been up last year).
They also couldn’t make any moves at the deadline to add that missing piece without giving up a significant player. They were stuck with what they had, and what they had was not the best they could have had.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Their*.
They had to make constant paper transactions with players that didn’t have to pass through waivers to save up precious pennies. I’m sure it was hell for the management.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
what they had was not the best they could have had.
Weren’t you guys stuck with the Nylander contract too?
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that albatross was a large problem. 4.875 that wasn’t playing, and wasn’t producing when playing. And thanks to the NMC, it was almost impossible to move. But he has since been loaned to Grand Rapids. So the Caps have room to work with for the rest of the year.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think if a player is traded after, say, 41 games (i.e. half a season in this example) then his original team is on the hook for half his salary against the cap tho, and his new team for the other half.
Is that also true if a player is “cut” mid-season, as Schneider was? Does roughly half his salary ($1.5m/2=$750k) still count against the cap this year? Any of you capologists know?
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
The team is on hook for the salary/cap hit that the player was already there for. A certain amount of a player’s cap hit is accrued to the team for every day that player is on the roster. So if a player with a salary of $4 million is traded exactly halfway through the season, the team has only accrued $2 million in cap hit, and the other 2 that would go to the player is freed up.
In essence, a team can use a certain amount of cap hit per day (cap ceiling/total days, whatever the numbers are) and for every amount they don’t use, they can save it up later in the season. That’s how a team can have only $2 million in cap space to start the season, but then trade for an $8 million guy at the deadline.
(Anyone who can put it a little clearer than me, feel free).
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 30, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
I remember hearing Gilman explaining a bit about it on a TEAM 1040 interview, that the best way to take advantage of the LTIR is being closer to the Cap.
It was in the context of when we had so many injuries that some, like Daniel Sedin I think, were not even put on LTIR so as to keep the number up more
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
The only time it really helps is if you’re closer to the cap. You can’t bank cap room when using LTIR, so if a player is injured there is no point putting him on unless you’re starved for cap space and can’t afford to bring up another player. Putting someone on LTIR guarantees that they don’t play for a certain amount of time (10 games/30 days, or something like that). I can’t remember off the top of my head.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 31, 2009 5:01 AM PST up reply actions
Other than the possible 1/2 his salary against the cap hit, is there any reason not to try?
We’d lose him to another team with nothing in return, plus we’d take a cap hit for nothing, and we’re tight against the cap as it is.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
i have two words to describe all this:
“well, fuck.”
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GO CANUCKS GO!
Mike Keane is not Canucks property. He has no contract except with the Moose, which is the way he wants it. Not sure about Oberg.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 30, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. A damned shame. damned shame!
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 31, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah. Now they are saying he may report to the Moose. At least, he’s being told to. I just had a brain fart. So Schneider clears re-entry then we ship him to Manitoba. Guess you can’t put the guy on waivers twice.
by Sean Zandberg on Jan 2, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
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