Would You Play Mathieu Schneider?
by casual on Dec 28, 2009 2:30 PM PST
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PrintFollowing up on a comment discussion in another thread, Mathieu Schneider is due to get bonuses of, I believe, $300k, after 40, 50, 60 and 70 games. The bonuses would total over 40% of his salary this year.
But he only gets them if he averages at least 15:00 of ice time in his games played. Last I checked, his average so far, after 39 games, stands at 15:14. His play has been below expectations and he really hasn't deserved more than that.
It means, though, that should he play in the next game, he would have to get about 11:02 of ice time just to keep his average up. If he got less than that, he would lose his first bonus, and probably not be at all happy about it.
Which could leave Vigneault with a tough decision, or set of them, during the game: i.e. what if Schneider is having a bad game again? Does he sit him down and risk alienating his veteran Stanley Cup winner? Or does he leave him on the ice and risk losing a game and, potentially, a playoff spot, in this tight year that we're having?
Tough call, which is why I suspect Gillis is gonna make sure that Schneider skips the next game rather than put the coach in such a spot.
I wouldn't play the guy in this situation. Would you?
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I’m a bit confused by something you said.
It means, though, that should he play in the next game, he would have to get about 11:02 of ice time just to keep his average up. If he got less than that, he would lose his first bonus, and probably not be at all happy about it.
Doesn’t he have to play 40 games? He’s only played 17 so far. The longer he sits on the shelf, awaiting a trade, the less chance he’ll even hit 40 games played this year.
I think his playing days here are over regardless. Actually, his playing days could be over period.
I presume that the bonuses are based on team games played. All I have to go on are the press reports on his contract. If it’s just his games, then this whole post is moot, but I went w/the assumption that it wasn’t cuz otherwise he’d lose almost half of his salary/bonus thru injury and his agent would prob have fought that, given that everyone knew Schneider’s state of health at the start of the year. Just a “play the odds” guess on my part, tho.
Agreed w/all your other pts, he just got too old, I think.
BTW, I noticed you cleaned up the post and added some tags. I’ll try to remember to do that myself next time. Thx.
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I think that the bonuses only make sense if they are based on his games played. The whole point was that it was understood he was both injured and not a fix to make the team. The team thus isn’t on the hook if he ends up playing only 20 games due to injury, and Schneider probably comes away with higher potential earnings than he would have had otherwise.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a bonus paid based on the team’s games played.
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it’s sounding a bit more official that a trade is being looked into….
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Regardless of bonuses
and ice-time and games played. Is he better than the 6th man currently occupying the roster?
IMO, he’s better than Shane O’Brien. The last couple games SOB has not completely shit the bed, but on the whole I’d rather have Schneider. =)
SOB has been one of the better d-men in the past 10-15 or so games. He’s been better than Bieksa of late imo. Schneider has a rocket shot and is great on the PP but his age really has caught up to him and he often is a step behind the opposition and is forced to take penalties because he gets beat. It’s hard to justify keeping him on the team solely for the PP. You need a d-man who can play on the PP, PK, and even strength.
Of course, whenever Salo gets injured again we may think a little bit differently.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 28, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
10-15 games?
Dude, you are being generous. SOB is not the guy who can play PP, ES, and PK and lest you forget was routintely the reason we were on PK!
Bieksa has been good the past couple but my God how far has his stock fallen? Yergh.
Clearly, the Canucks need a boost on the blue line. I’m not sure how we can go about getting it, but it is the weak spot right now.
I personally like the top 6 d-men right now. Some of them aren’t playing to their potential and could work on that. I don’t know if that has anything to do with coaching but I’m sure they could play a lot better. After that 6 though it’s slim pickings. I’m not too impressed with Aaron Rome.
SOB is still fairly young and still has the ability to develop into a better d-man. Although he’s clearly not the best d-man they have, I think they can do much worse. I wouldn’t pull the trigger just yet with a trade from the blueline unless Gillis can get something for Schneider and get some good depth.
I don't remember Rome
doing anything wrong. So maybe that’s exactly what we want out of an AHL call-up.
In 17 games (or whatever) doesn’t Matt Schneider has the same number of goals as SOB has in 35 games? :-0
bang on
SOB is still young and defensemen take a bit longer to mature than forwards. Look at Mason Ramond or the Sedins. They were frustrating to watch at first, but continued to improve until they were able to be successful.
Watching players make mistakes makes you want to pull the trigger, but trading a player before they reach their prime is a bad idea. SOB has learned from many of his mistakes and continues to improve. Don’t trade him away just as he gets good.
I’m sure we’d be kicking ourselves if we traded the Sedins or Raymond away when they were young and before they were good in the NHL.
I like what you said here. I’ve often been really hard on OB’wan at times and still wince when he’s on the ice in critical situations, be they offensive or defensive. But nobody can say he hasn’t improved, both in his decisions with the puck and decreasing the bad penalties.
For a team that wants to win now, it’s all about finding that balance between giving your young defencemen enough ice time to develop, while trying to minimize the inevitable mistakes that inexperienced D-men can make that could cost you critical points.
I’m a little leery of just punting Schneider out. He increases our depth on D, but if he’s pouting about his playing time, obviously his benefit decreases. I thought as a person, Schneider would be above this sort of D-baggery. Let’s hope Salo stays reasonably healthy for the time being.
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I hear ya, Smoboy. I am surprised as well. I am also surprised at how ineffective Schneider has been. I expected more from him. Where did his wheels go?
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 29, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
All in the span of a year. He didn’t look all that bad last season
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 29, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
He was a $5.5m player last year and now he’s waiver material a half-season later. That’s a mighty fast fall from grace.
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He’s better off in the East, where things aren’t as wide open.
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I was thinking that the other day too, that the West is a lot tougher to play. Also it’s pretty tough coming in (did he even have a training camp?) and playing your first game when everyone else has played 10. He was catching up before he even started.
It’s unfortunate how it all turned out, I was looking forward to having a veteran/leadership presence around the locker room.
remember canuck faithful, brad lukowich is still vancouver property and was sent down due to cap space, if schnieder goes he comes up i believe. havent heard how he has been playing for the AHL dallass team.
If we wait until after the deadline, they can’t play him in the playoffs though…it would be a bottom feeder…
Probably still get grabbed, but maybe its easier to sneak him up after the deadline.
Less teams to get through, anyhow!
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Schneider is dealt before the deadline or he is done.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 29, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
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