Willie Mitchell: What Should The Canucks Do With Him?
Mike Gillis is going to have some heavy decisions to make between now and the summer time in regards to contracts, and Willie Mitchell's fate is one of them.
More after the poll and jumpy thing...
First of all, thanks to vancitydan for bringing up the Mitchell issue a few days ago. I think it's worth discussing.
Secondly, the only Canucks jersey I own with a name on it is Mitchell's. I have always liked his grit and ability as a shutdown defenceman. But I will not let any kind of selfishness or bias (of my jersey becoming a thing of the past, for example) interfere with what I am about to say.
Here is a visual of Willie's main stats over the years:
A number of factors can be drawn from those statistics and beyond. First of all, his ice time as a shutdown guy has not changed much from his time in Minnesota compared to here. Secondly, he looks to match his career point totals from last season. There lies the problem. Increased offensive stats. So is BC-born Mitchell going to demand more now that he is nearly duplicating his former average points-per year stats? Only Willie and his agent know this. Or, where do Willie's loyalties lie? In his favorite team growing up or on a fatter contract elsewhere?
I can give you an estimated guess or two. If he wants a raise, he's probably gone, or the terms of a possible re-signing here won't come down to $$$ as much as length of terms. I'd like to see him sign here multi-year for the same price and wishfully less to aid the team financially under the cap. The 32 year-old Mitchell does not deserve to earn more than $3.5 million per season does he?
Let's look at a few other NHL D-men's salaries:
-Mike Green (23 years-old): $5 million per season for the next 2 years
-Dan Boyle (32): $6.667 million over the next 4 years
-Andrei Markov (30): $5.75 million for 1 more year
Let me stop there. Mitchell is not in the same ballpark as those guys. He should make half of what Boyle makes....or the Sharks got themselves a great deal. The closest player that I can see that is even comparable to Mitchell is Flames' Robyn Regehr. The 29 year-old D-man gets about the same ice-time, points and playing minutes as Mitchell does and is slated to make $4 million over the next 3 seasons. I'm going to call that over-payment by Calgary. Yes I am. But not by much.
Here is a list of D-men in Mitchell's age range who are currently or are slated to make as much as he currently makes ($3.5 per season) beyond Robyn Regehr (give or take $500,000):
-Derek Morris (Boston)
-Craig Rivet, Toni Lydman, Henrik Tallinder (Buffalo)
-Mike Commodore, Fedor Tyutin (Columbus)
-Brett Clark, Ruslan Salei, Adam Foote (Colorado)
-Andy Sutton, Brendan Witt (Islanders)
-Filip Kuba, Chris Phillips (Ottawa)
-Francois Beauchemin, Jeff Finger, Mike VanRyn (Toronto)
Dear God, did I just talk myself out of my argument? M'eh, not really. Contracts may vary because of stupid spending (bidding wars) in UFA summers (see Jeff Finger), potential over-valuing of players driving up the market, etc. One factor remains with the majority of players on that list: Mitchell does not put up as many points they do, but is arguably as-good or a better shutdown guy than the majority of them.
Personally, I'd like to see the Canucks commit long-term to Mitchell (scraps in practice and all, which seem to be more beneficial than not) on a 4-5 year deal with a smaller cap hit. You up for it, Mike Gillis? Mitchell? You Canucks fans agree? There are so many variables pro and con for re-signing the guy, including worth, other expiring contracts, team direction, etc. Make your voice be heard on the poll and in the comments section.
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I sorta agree.
First, good article…yeah…you kind of did talk yourself out of it a bit. Most of those guys are no better than, and in some cases worse than, Big Willie. Well…not all…but he is in the neighborhood!
I think he signs for around what he makes, but not for 5 years.
Say, 3 years, 11 nil…gets a minor raise, if after 3 years he is still as good, sign him to one year deals until he wants to retire.
He does WANT to stay at home right?
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Speaking of loyalties, what’s up with the fact that Yankee Canuck now lives in San Fran, whereas I, Beantown Canuck, now live in New York? This website isn’t making any sense any more.
by Beantown Canuck on Dec 25, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions
When you live there for a decade, I’ll give up the name. Until then….finders keepers ;)
Beantown ain’t bad!
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Dec 25, 2009 2:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am one of those who recommended a raise.
Here is the reason:
When you are part of an organization for a considerable time, and you pride yourself in doing a very good job, you expect that management respects you and thinks highly of you. This is human nature, and applies for every job, not just hockey.
How can management show respect? Well, they can always praise you, but talk is cheap. So you can only tell that they honestly mean it, if they put their money where their mouth is…meaning that you get a raise.
So, in order for Mitchell to feel respected and trusted, a raise is necessary. Not really for improving his quality of life, but this is rather a matter of honor and pride.
Having said that, I think that the raise should be a small one. As small as possible, so that the cap doesn’t take a painful hit, but large enough, so that Willie’s pride stays intact. May be a150,000 – 200,000 raise? He is in prime of his career, and this is as high as it is going to get. In addition to this small raise, management should also offer a good explanation as to why the raise cannot be larger: building a championship team means sacrifice from both sides, players and management alike.
Los Angeles, CA
Well said, AttilaS. I was going to balk at your raise suggestion while reading your first 3 paragraphs but then you silenced me with your last paragraph.
That being said..I voted “same amount”. That may be a tad shrewd, but there are guys like Raymond and Kesler whose contracts expire as well. It’s a tight business in a cap world. It can come down to being over by $200,000 when all is said and done. That’s the difference of possibly a guy like Raymond leaving…I don’t want that to happen. It’s tough. I don’t want Mitchell to go either.
So who do the Canucks value more? Bah! Flog Bieksa! Case solved!
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 25, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
I’m glad you brought this up. Mitchell is one of my favourite players too and there has been little discussion about his contract.
At this point I feel that all the balls are in Gillis’ court. It’s no secret Mitchell loves playing here and has bought into the system. While he could for sure get more money if he waited to July 1st, I think he’d be willing to sacrifice some cash if the Canucks gave him a fair offer.
This is the kind of player you need on a team that hails ‘defense first’. Can you imagine AV coaching his style without a Willie Mitchell type player. He’s a leader (my original choice for Captain), a tough guy (Youtube Iginla Mitchell fights for proof), and the only BC boy on the team. Top that off with the fact that there is nobody on the team or in the system that can step in and fill this role, therefore if we lose him we have to replace him.
I don’t think he’ll ask for much more than he is making now and if they add some length to it (3-4 yrs) they could frontload it.
It would be great if he takes a little hometown discount (~2.8-3.0M?) in order to leave some room to re-sign the likes of Kesler, Raymond and UFA signings in the off-season. I don’t think he should be making more than Edler (3.25M) or Ehrhoff (3.1M) because he doesn’t bring it offensively, and in the salary cap world you can’t spend too much on a shut-down D-man and the D-corp as a whole. Otherwise, you’re not gonna have enough upfront (kinda like now) or have to find some great deals (read: reclamation projects like Dan Cleary).
I wouldn’t mind too much if he got the same money but a raise not so much (as much as I like him). I’m sure he can get 4.0M+ from some desperate team out there if all he cares about is the money (I doubt that he does). The other option is to get rid of someone (Bieksa or Salo) in order to keep Willie, which I would be perfectly fine with.
Another idea: Any chance of a long-term deal that will frontload his contract and keep his cap hit down? Like 7 years $18M (4M, 4M, 4M, 3M, 1M, 1M, 1M) for a nice cap hit of 2.57M. He’ll only be 33 when the season ends so we won’t get Pronger’d, haha.
Another idea: Any chance of a long-term deal that will frontload his contract and keep his cap hit down? Like 7 years $18M (4M, 4M, 4M, 3M, 1M, 1M, 1M) for a nice cap hit of 2.57M. He’ll only be 33 when the season ends so we won’t get Pronger’d, haha.
Yeah, I would be down with that. Bit of a shorter term though.
Well…the way cyxl has it, Willie probably retires before the end of his deal…(nudge nudge…wink wink…of course)
Lots or options that way, though 7 years with Willie, the tough style he plays…the way he’ll get hit to make the pass.
Maybe that 5 years you were talking about might be better.
Though, 3 years 9.3 mil sounds good…Sure he can get more elsewhere…and you guys have already talked me down from the 11 mil above.
Still a little less than Ehrhoff and Edler…though if one of those Eastern teams that is in love with Bieksa’s toughness wants to make an offer……hmmmmmmmmm
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Dude you are calling Reghr an overpayment? Just because he has similar stats to mitchell doesn’t mean they are on the same level. And there’s a reason why only one of them is getting team canada consideration.
by M F on Dec 26, 2009 9:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Umm...dude?
Not for nothing, but the only people I hear saying Robin makes the 2010 roster are Duhatchuk and Flames fans. He is on not one of the lists of the so called “experts”…not even Cherry! (BTW…Cherry DID mention Mitchell as the kind of player the team needs as a defensive specialist tonight….that is Cherry, but still! He said him…not Regehr…)
Support your guy…fine…but a player that has a far better plus minus, both last year and this year too, a comparable amount of points and draws the assignments of the other teams’ top guns like they both do is certainly a good comparison. Shit…last year Regehr ended up a plus 10…Willie was a plus 29…that wasn’t all smoke and mirrors.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Yeah, I am calling Regehr an overpayment. Sure, he gets Olympic nods but at some point you can’t be paying a D-man with no offensive upside $4 million. It’s a cap world. He better be decent at both.
Even paying offensive defensemen more than 5 is really going to hurt your team in the cap world. Unless they’re like Scott Stevens and can change the game with one hit I think you should pay your d-men should make at most 4 mil. That’s why I didn’t mind Ohlund leaving the team last year. We have a pretty solid defense but some of them do have to play better. SOB has turned it around and been fairly effective. Let’s hope Bieksa can do the same.
Unless they’re like Scott Stevens and can change the game with one hit
See Mitchell re: hit on Toews earlier this year…
yeah but Stevens was a bulldog. He was feared. He killed guys more often than Mitchell ever has.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 28, 2009 2:06 AM PST up reply actions
Like Olie used to be for us…and…judging by his hit list so far this year …(Zetterberg…out two weeks, and Kessel to welcome him back to playing…!)…he can still do it.
But I am happy for Matty getting the big bucks in sunny Fla.
But he still can make butterflies flutter in some wingers stomachs these days too…evidently. ( I think Olie’s $$$ average out to about 4 mil ish. He does make 4 mil this year and next, then 5/5.5/3. something and less later on. )
Mitchell would get big bucks somewhere. Its all in the value he places on what he’ll take to stay at home.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
But Ohlund can score 40 points in a season. Mitchell can’t.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 28, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I just checked and he’s never had a 40-point season. He’s been a solid 30-35 points guy most of his career.
Only one person making a fool outta me at a time! Jeez! ;-)
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 28, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Touche!
Though I am sure Willie would respond with a "whatchu talking about Willis!.
But yeah, though according to his stats… http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8460503#&navid=nhl-keymatch
he never got 40 in his career. Still scored enough goals though…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Huh, looking at Ohlund’s stats, I thought he put up more points than that. Don’t make a fool outta me Dan! haha
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 28, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions

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