Home Sweet Home: Canucks-Thrashers Preview
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 12:08 AM PST
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Thrashers (15-10-3) vs Canucks (16-14-0)
GAME TIME: 7:00 PST
TV: CANUCKS PPV
AERIAL NEMESIS: Bird Watchers Anonymous
Update (2:39 PM): AV is pissed. From the Province today: Every time so far this year when I think we're getting on a roll and we're getting traction, we sort of find a way to piss me off again,” Vigneault said following the Canucks' morning skate. “So it's what we're faced with right now. Talk is fine but we need actions. They're a strong group, we believe in them and we have to let their actions speak for themselves with their play on the ice.”
Yeah, you tell 'em, Viggy! You get the feeling the Thrashers are walking into a lion's den tonight? I hope so.
Update (11:55 AM): MindRoom Science and the power of positivity for your Vancouver Canucks? Oh for f**k's sakes. How about my foot in your ass?
Update (11:51 AM): "Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!" OK, not always. There's an entertaining piece up at Canucks.com about what the Canucks eat, or can't eat, etc. Check it out.
Update (8:48 AM): A great piece in the Province today about knee-jerk reactions, slow start trends and how little ice-time the Sedins get. Here is an excerpt:
What never seems to change, however, is the Canucks' dependence on a strong second half. Since Alain Vigneault took over as coach, Vancouver's seasons have followed a remarkably similar script. His team point totals on Dec. 9 in his four seasons have been 29, 35, 33 and, this year, 32. Those reflect mediocre first halfs which force a mad dash for the playoffs. It's worked two of his three seasons. If it's to work again, the Canucks need to use this eight-game homestand as a springboard.
The inconsistent Canucks return home to play 8 straight games at GM Place in the span of 17 nights. With a 10-4 home record this season, this is their big chance to get on a roll and figure out what it takes to win consistently. Rather than beat the Predators and get into a playoff spot last game, they lost in angering fashion and now sit in 12th spot in the West, 3 points out of a playoff spot. The Flames, who own top spot in the Northwest are now 9 points ahead of us. I'm not going to say any more about the Nucks. I thought all of your inputs in Mike's "Grievance" post below were excellent.
The Thrashers are better on the road (9-4-1) than they are at home (6-6-2). They sit in 6th spot in the East, 3 points up on the 9th place Rangers. This game will not be easy for them (or will it?) Vancouver is the final stop in their 4 game road trip. They have won once and lost 2 so far on the trip. They have played (in order) Florida, Toronto and Calgary. This will be their 2nd game in 2 nights after losing 3-1 in Calgary last night. A perfect chance for the Canucks to take advantage of a tiring team.
More after the jump...
Atlanta had a 6-4-1 record in October, a hot 9-3-2 record in November and a 1-3 record in December. Their management is trying their best to keep Ilya Kovalchuk in Atlanta. Kovalchuk wants to be sure that the team is headed in a winning direction before committing. I can't blame him. Long have the Thrashers toiled in mediocrity. Their success this year caught me by surprise. They have been without their #1 goalie Kari Lehtonen for the entire season due to back surgery. But they seem to have been getting decent goaltending from the 22-year-old Czech Ondrej Pavelec, and excellent results from The Moose Johan Hedberg. Remember him? He was part of the Canucks' goalie graveyard.
A real like-able guy. The crowd always chanted "Moose!" when he made a stellar save. After playing 13 games this season, Hedberg is making a strong case to backup Henrik Ludqvist for the Swedes at the Olympics. His save percentage and GAA rank 2nd and 5th best in the NHL.
We most likely won't see Hedberg between the pipes against the Canucks. He played last night in Atlanta's loss to the Flames.
The Thrashers have several decent weapons in their arsenal. Kovalchuk is still his kick-ass ol' self with 16 goals and 27 points in 22 games. I wonder if the Predators have any regrets for putting Rich Peverley on waivers last January. He has 10 goals and 27 points in 28 games this season. He is making $500,000. His $1.3 million earnings kick in next season. Maxim Afinogenov has found a home in Atlanta. His role was being diminished in Buffalo due to bad defensive play (among other things I'm sure) and they didn't renew his services after his contract expired last summer. You can't be a -16 player in Buffalo. Maxim (cool name or what?) went unclaimed ALL SUMMER. I thought he was heading back to Russia. Atlanta took a chance on him on September 29th and signed him to a 1-year $800,000 contract. I like this kid. He looks and even skates like Pavel Bure. He will definitely be noticeable on the ice tonight. He currently has 11 goals and 15 assists in 27 games this season. He is also a +4. Not bad for a guy that nobody wanted.
Watch out for that Colby Armstrong guy. He doesn't look like a guy that can demolish players with devastating hits, but he can! He reminds me of Mike Peca. Check out some of the carnage here.
More Thrashers player stats here.
The last time the Canucks played the Thrashers was January 2nd. Atlanta beat the Canucks 4-3 in a shootout on home ice. Jason Labarbera, cursed in shootouts, was in goal for Van. The last time the Thrashers played in Vancouver was February 7, 2007. The Canucks shut them down and won 3-2, powered by 2 Brendan Morrison goals.
COMPARATIVE STATS
GOALS PER GAME AVG: Thrashers 3rd overall, Canucks 5th.
GOALS AGAINST PER GAME: Canucks 9th best, Thrashers 18th.
POWER PLAY: Canucks 5th, Thrashers 9th.
PENALTY KILL: Thrashers 6th, Canucks 27th. Uh-oh...
SHOTS PER GAME: Canucks 11th, Thrashers 24th
SHOTS AGAINST PER GAME: Canucks 10th, Thrashers 29th.
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3-2 canucks, kesler with the winner.
now i need to rush off a write my final exam for computer science….
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
2-0 Canucks. Erhoff the winner.
I keep on hoping the Canucks will actually revert to playing defensive hockey. If they don’t manage, this could be an ugly game. The Thrash have some real firepower.
...loving life for Christ's glory...
They can’t play responsible defense these days. Just for fun, they should deploy a run and gun strategy. Let the dogs loose. Sure they may lose but it’ll be entertaining for once. Raymond unthrottled could be a bird killer.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Dec 10, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s trap time. I agree. Get back to basics. Re-learn the clogging up of the middle.
4-2 Canucks. Daniel Sedin with the winner.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I honestly don’t think that the Canucks have any sort of “run and gun” ability. It’s something Vignault has been talking up since the start of the year, and I don’t think it exists. In fact, it could be the application of this idea that’s causing us to hurt.
The Sedins are a weak pair to build your team around if you’re going for sheer offensive talent. Kesler, Burrows, Samuelson, Wellwood… these are all guys who had amazing years last year in a defensive system. Yeah, once in a while Vignault should throw us a “fun night” where the Canucks aren’t allowed to sit back, but I don’t understand why so many people seem to think this team has the talent to challenge Atlanta at their own game.
We’re best at being robots. Let’s strip that free will from our men once and for all, and then maybe we’ll get back on track!
...loving life for Christ's glory...
First game back after a road trip syndrome? I don’t think so. A pissed off team takes out a tired team. 5-2 Nucks. Hank FTW.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 9:12 AM PST reply actions
7-2 Canucks
Rypper with the winner. This team should be mad. I want another Colorado-style first period. 4-0 after 10 minutes.
please yes!
I’ll be at the game, I’d love to see a blowout.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Dec 10, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
toronto? they were in calgary last night (they played toronto on monday)
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
A good ol fashioned pounding is in order, I think. 4-1 Vancouver, Kesler with the winner. I wanted to say Burrows ass gets the winner, but that happened already. Luongo’s shutout bid will be negated by a bonehead play by Mitchell, one of very few this game, while the Canucks are shorthanded due to a stupid penalty. In the second. Do I get extra points if I’m right on that last part?
not likely, just bragging rights.
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
If I didn’t have a job and time constraints, we could have one crazy prediction game here.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
So I just read this article by Ian Mac about the Mind Room. Am I reading it wrong or was he basically scoffing at the idea? I know it is hard to read tone sometimes so I figured I had better ask to see what other people thought about the article. It seemed to me that Ian was basically mocking the idea. Did I read that wrong?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM PST reply actions
It’s posted in the 11:55 update on this thread. Just look up.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I’m mocking it. Not sure if I-Mac was. Stupid rich fuckers. Let’s just pamper them some more.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Really? That is your take on it? You don’t think the fact that this organization is spending money on cutting edge scientific methods of improving our teams performance is a good thing? We should pamper them as much as possible if by pampering you mean doing whatever we can to ensure they perform to the best of the abilities. The mental aspect of sports is maybe the most important. Tiger Woods is the most gifted player on the PGA Tour in terms of the mental game and that is what separates him. There are plenty of guys, starting with Mickelson, who arguable have more talent in terms of shot making. They just don’t have it between the ears the way Tiger does. Why wouldn’t you want our team doing everything it can to make sure we have an edge mentally over the other team?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve seen these things come and go before; they don’t amount to much, or at least haven’t in the past. Someone flogs ‘em to the market and teams try it cuz it sounds ok and, well, what have you got to lose? When one of those teams wins something, the marketing will use that as proof; you won’t hear about the others.
On the psych side, I’d put a lot more faith in the screening the team does – they do more than most now – on draft choices, looking for good character. That makes more sense to me, a good use of profiling.
If you really want them to meditate, teach the guys to control their brain waves and settle nicely into beta whenever they wish. Beta is focused, like your cat when he’s stalking a bird; nothing else exists at that moment but the moment itself. I’ve never seen that sort of approach tried for athletics, just this touchy, feely, new age “be the world” kinda stuff.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
The Mind Room is mental conditioning. Allowing the players to remain calm and focused.
The local Child Development Center in town has a room called the Snoezlen Room that is specifically designed, down to every detail, with lights, sounds, games, toys and other instructional elements to improve behavior in children. Scientifically proven results. This isn’t witch craft this is based in very fundamental aspects of human behavior.
True the team has issues and holes and I don’t agree with everything MG does but this seems a pretty small thing, building a room in the stadium, that could help improve the mental aspect of our team. What’s the big deal? And why mock it? Just cause you don’t understand it?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but I was pointing out that these types of rooms are scientifically proven to help improve mental problems. So if something is rooted in sound science why is it being mocked? Do we still mock people who think the Earth orbits the sun?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Apples
and oranges imo.
You want to “tweak” things when you get close to contending to try and “optimize” fine, but focus on icing the best team first.
Do the Wings need this stuff? The Pens?
Why do one first and then the other? Why not do everything you can right now?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Is he
doing everything he can do to ice the best team?
It’s called prioritization and it’s clear Gillisgan’s priorities lie with his pet theories.
I don’t think you can say that for sure. I don’t know how much time he spends every day working the phones for example. So it is hard for me to judge that.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
How much time do you think he spends on this room a week? My guess would be he gets one or two emails a week updating him on the progress of the room being built. I doubt he is down there wiring speakers and laying carpet. As a GM he can’t afford to just focus on improving the team there are other things that fall under his stewardship. Hence the general part of his title. But yes as I have said the team needs some work. But again not at the expense of all the other aspects of trying to run a successful organization long term.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, for sure. As GM, these things are all delegated. He’ll get a report at a weekly status meeting, or whatever, and that’s about it. Might visit the room to see it, watch it in action, when it’s done. Sounds like a good place to put the management coffee bar!
Think back to the Ehrhoff deal. Think that was easy just cuz it looked easy? We all now it wasn’t, which is why such deals are rare and are so celebrated when you pull one off.
With 30 other GMs all looking for something? With SJ holding out for the best they could get. Offers and counteroffers? Keeping tabs on the situation and the competition, on Wilson’s moods and needs and desires and pressures?
No way that couldda happened w/out constant attention. Not a chance.
And yeah, I would love it if we could trade Luko back to SJ now (said to want another d-man) for even just a good draft pick. Good for SJ, good for Luko. good for us.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
He clearly has made some questionable decisions. I just don’t think building this room is too big of a deal. If it doesn’t work we really didn’t lose anything except some of the owners money. And if it works? Maybe our team is a bit better.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think if he addresses the holes they could be very good. Then maybe having the MindRoom ready for the Playoffs could put them over the top like it did with Italy at the World Cup?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Trying to sell what? I have agreed that he needs to get his ass in gear and fix some problems with this team. I am just saying you can build a MindRoom at the same time.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
The Italian players have said that it helped too. Even if they only THINK it helped them, then is helped them. I will take a placebo effect over no effect every time.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
maybe they should all becomes christians and allow Jesus to lead them to victory while they are at it.
I hear what you are saying that any help is better than no help at all. I think the timing of this story is what irks me most.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not mocking it, I just don’t think it’s effective. It’s not harmful, either.
Seen stuff like that tried before, everyone who tries it will praise it (if you’d had them try, say, macadamia nuts, dressed up with a bit of theory, they’d offer similar levels of praise for that, cuz they want to believe) and then it kinda fizzles out over time.
Maybe “this time it’s different,” maybe it really is, but that’s a tenuous phrase to pin one’s hopes on. As for the science … psychology is a “social science,” which is probably the gentlest way to put it.
I’d love to be wrong on this one, I really would.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
That's just
coaching, not “mind programming” Tiger has a detailed game plan for each stroke of each day of each tourney, Phil was a “feel” player who was awesome when on, bad when not, but he’s become more focussed on course management of late as well and that’s just coaching.
What’s the big deal? And why mock it? Just cause you don’t understand it?
I just don’t like it. These rich athletes get all this special treatment and get pampered. How about they go out and perform, or get the hell off the team? None of this in-between bullshit. What is this? “My Science Project”?
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Next thing
you know they will all be wearing Q-Ray bracelets and sleeping with pyramids above their heads…
I dunno if that’s fair Sean. These guys are rich because they are the very top of their craft; even the worst NHL’er is better than all the rest, that’s why they’re in the NHL…if not, they get waivered, cut, canned etc. If someone is at the very top of their game, how do they get that little extra edge to beat other athletes at the very top of their game? They try some things, and this is one of those. I’m not sure I fully believe it, but I’m all for pampering the team if we want to them to win us a cup. Yes, at the end of the day the individuals have to perform individually and as a unit to bring us the chalice, but I say let management use every concievable tool out there to help pull the most out of each member of the team. Just my .02
Especially since all it costs is the owners money. Certainly I would rather see us trying a MindRoom then have an owner who pockets every extra cent of revenue to spend on himself.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
how do they get that little extra edge to beat other athletes at the very top of their game?
Steroids! haha
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Lol…seriously tho, at that level edge over opponents is a mighty thin line. Any competition is like that…at most levels there are very few differences in skill quotient from team (or player if it’s a solo game) to team. Any edge one can get is both hard to come by and welcomed. This holds true in any competitive environment, not just professional sports.
As a somewhat obtusely related aside, Zandberg you’re a Metallica fan, I believe. U must have seen Some Kind of Monster… the dude the band hired there was a ‘Sports Psychologist’, right? The idea of improving a team’s mental state to give them edge is not new by any means… this is just another spin of the same top.
Throw Metallica at me and I’ll listen, haha! And what made Metallica better? Airing out their feelings? Bah! Hetfield went into rehab. That was a biggy. Lars and James bitched at eachother for a while and in the end..what changed? They still have 2 egos and fragile personalities and regained their success by putting out a killer album that went back to their roots. That wasn’t because of the love doctor. The love doctor only got them through a shitty time so they didn’t disband.
rant rant rant.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Not true. Ask any profesional golfer, and I have asked several, and they will all say the same thing. There is very little difference between Tiger and the number 400 ranked golfer in the world in terms of shot making. They can all hit all of the shots needed to win. The difference is being able to stay focused for 20 hours a day over 5 or 6 days to win a tournament. Lots of golfers share coaches as well. Adam Scott for instance has the same coach as Tiger and a very similar swing. But isn’t close to being as good of a player.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
golf and hockey….is it fair to lump the 2 into the same sentence?
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Of course
there are differences, lots of players skate and shoot better than Lemieux that doesn’t mean they have his talent. Woods is a phenom, his touch is ridiculous, and don’t tell me any but a very few could ever make the kinds of shots he has made coming down the home stretch in a major, I’m a Phil fan, not a Tiger fan but the guy is amazing and does amazing things.
If a guy is on the PGA Tour he was a prodigy at one point. Winning youth tournies when he was 14 and the other guys were 17 or 18. Those stories are common if you are a big PGA fan like I am. The reason Tiger’s story is more prominent is cause Tiger is. But the point is that Tiger is mentally far ahead of his competitors and that is the difference between a guy with a boat load of talent and an All Time great. Now obviously Tiger was born with that. But my point is simply that you overlook the mental aspect of sports at your own peril. Nothing wrong with using science to try to improve the mental make up of your team.
And Sean, as for the pampering thing. Should we do away with trainers? Those proper work out routines for both off season training and for during the season are just pampering right? Get rid of the doctors, dentists and chiropractic adjustments, those are for pussies. They don’t really need sharp skates do they? No need to have equipment managers. They can hang their gear to dry in their hotel rooms. Hell, they should be riding the bus not planes. Why are we pampering thee guys?
OK that was overboard but I think the point is valid. These are the times we live in and these kinds of things, fancy new locker room, will help the team in several ways not least of which is in recruiting guys in the future. You sound like my old boss who let business pass him. You can’t just expect people to show up work for 8 hours and go home happy cause they are getting a pay check. The world doesn’t work like that anymore. You have to help make sure people are as productive and happy as possible.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
The world doesn’t work like that anymore. You have to help make sure people are as productive and happy as possible.
I am a bsupervisor at a mill. I’ll tell you what..I sure as shit wouldn’t introduce that stupid technology into our workplace to check worker’s anxiety levels and other issues. They either put out or don’t work here. There are certain ways to make them happier….like rewarding them when they do well and having a golf tournament in the summer. End of the day..you can’t make every person happy. You JUST CAN’T. Good workers are good workers. Shitbags are shitbags.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
So why are you against giving those good workers the tools to do their jobs better?
Sure get rid of Wellwood and bring in a decent player. I am all for that. But why not make sure we are getting the most from our top players?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t have to! They already exceed the minimal acceptable standard!
I’m saying that we can get the most out of players (right now) by kicking them in the ass and benching the buggers who aren’t pulling their weight. This team needs a foot in the ass, not a Mind Room. I did say that there is a time and place for everything..so I won’t completely disregard trying it at some point. Just not now. There are no excuses right now for this bunch.
AV is pissed today. Man is he ever.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Well the room isn’t even ready yet so I am sure it isn’t for today. And it isn’t a tool used to turn around a struggling team. It is simply used to ensure the players are functioning as well as possible from the mental side of things. It doesn’t mean they will win or it will make a borderline NHler into a superstar. It’s just one more thing the owners can do to make sure they are maximizing what they are getting from the players they are investing so much money in.
I know you were just kidding around but do you really want the Canucks to stop trying once they have achieved a minimal acceptable standard?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn’t kidding actually. It’s management 101. Many workers are well below the minimal acceptable standard. Management’s job is to bring them up to that standard.
Oh fuck it…I don’t want to talk about my job on here. It’s not right.
I think the Mind Room is silly. That’s my opinion. Waste of $$$. We may not agree on this concept….ever. But I appreciate what you are saying anyways..like this part:
And it isn’t a tool used to turn around a struggling team. It is simply used to ensure the players are functioning as well as possible from the mental side of things. It doesn’t mean they will win or it will make a borderline NHler into a superstar. It’s just one more thing the owners can do to make sure they are maximizing what they are getting from the players they are investing so much money in.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
minimal acceptable standard
That’s the thing. In pro sports, that’s not good enough.
I think you and I are of a similar mind on this Sean, excepting that I’d urge you not to dismiss MR too early. You are probably right and will be proven so, but it’s not a certainty, and if it’s basically a freebie to try, why not?
A kick in the ass is also a freebie, and if I had to pick just one today – Mind Room or Kick – I’d go w/the latter, for the same reason that there are no horse whisperers down the stretch, just whips.
But better still is to try it and see, maybe MR the guys in the morning so they’re rested and refreshed for their kick in the afternoon. Seriously. Carrot and stick is a proven technique.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
I hacked into the Mind Room’s computers and found the tape they play while the guys are meditating. It explains much:
Playing at home they know my name
And I must backcheck every game
But when we leave to play away
I only backcheck once a day
Go Canucks!
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Oh ffs
Gillis mentioned MindRoom Sports Science Inc. during an interview early last season but has since stopped talking about the program, wary the Canucks could too easily surrender whatever competitive advantages they gain from it.
This guy really is a legend in his own mind.
Pet theories about the schedule which morph into the most fucked up calendar of games I’ve ever seen.
Fancy new dressing rooms with all the conveniences a player could dream of.
And now this cockamamie bs?
Meanwhile;
Your 3rd line centre scores like an AHL 4th liner.
You have a $2M 3rd line winger who can’t seen to do much of anything well,
3 of your 6 $2.75M+ dmen are in the minus, one of whom is often a healthy scratch, and another one can’t score.
And your coach can’t seem to get his team to score, defend, or even stay out of the box on a consistent basis.
Competitive advantage? Quit playing around and ice a fucking competitive team to start with, maybe focus on player personnel before wasting time with these pet projects that had better start paying off soon or Gillisgan will become the laughing stock of the league, if he hasn’t already.
uh-oh I’m being drawn to the dark side. I agree, Yoata.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
sorry, i just had to.
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
I agree there are things that need to be fixed on the ice. But that shouldn’t be done at the expense of other improvements that can help the team. The sleep thing is being copied around the league now so it sounds like that one was more than a pet project.
This guy really is a legend in his own mind.
What does that even mean? He thinks he might have found something that can help his team have an edge so he is keeping quiet about it. That makes him a legend in his own mind? So if he thinks a guy that is projected to be a 5th rounder is going to be a great player he should just tell everyone about it? The point being if you think you have an edge you don’t tell people what that edge is. Maybe it isn’t an edge and it will backfire and you can use that to show how incompetent MG is but you can’t seriously being having a go at the guy for trying to gain an edge and keeping that edge a secret?
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Some people just like to slag on others, S312, they enjoy it. In previous eras, their predecessors were the ones yelling “burn the witch!” Sometimes, my friend, it ain’t about what it’s about.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
It means
he’s in love with his own theories and thinks he knows how to run an NHL team better than anybody before him by way of them.
“Keeping it a secret” just shows that it’s not just a possbile benefit to be tried, that in his mind, it’s going to “revolutionize the sport” or maybe all sports, and then he’ll get the credit.
Too funny.
You can tell what he is thinking based on an article written by Ian MacIntyre about Gillis not talking about something?
I think in this case yoata you are projecting a little.
Maybe he is in love with his own theories. I have no way to know for sure, as I suspect you don’t. But I would rather have someone who is trying to revolutionize the sport, who is in love with his own theories and all of that, than a GM with no clear vision and very little in terms of creative ideas.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
With respect, S312, this is like a Monty Python skit: you’re arguing but he’s quarreling.
Oh look, this isn’t an argument!
Yes it is!
No it isn’t!
It’s just contradiction!
No it isn’t!
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
And you
are like the two old codgers on the muppets who offer nothing but potshots from the cheapseats.
Of the two, of course the Python skit rules, its a NM law or something…
“Look, I came here for an argument”
“No, you didn’t”
And the two old codgers did a lot of “projecting” from the cheap seats!!
aaaaaaaZinnnngggg….
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
nope not this time. Casual…shame shame shame.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Like you, Sean, I have mgmt experience. One thing I learned along the way: never give an inch to a narcissist. Never.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
What this
is really about is that casual cannot stand to have his worhipping view of Nuck management challenged in any way and therefore must resort to personal attacks in order not to see such challenges, the more logical they are, the more bitter his personal attacks become…
Are you saying I turned it personal? Cause it looks like that comment is a reply to my comment at 3:17. I don’t think suggesting that you may be projecting your dislike of Gillis onto this issue is making it personal. It just seems like a pretty harmless thing to try out and if it might work you may as well keep it for yourself. Does MG have weaknesses? Yes. Does this team? Yes. Do they need to be fixed? Yes. Is MG the man for the job? I am not sure. But is the MindRoom something to get worked up about? I wouldn’t think so.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
If that's
your definition of “projecting” fine, not what I mean when I use the term.
Regardless, we were discussing Gillis, making it about me = making it personal, yes.
I didn’t make anything “about you” I merely suggested that your judgment on the MindRoom topic was perhaps slightly clouded by your dislike of Gillis. Which I suppose you can say is “personal” but in no way was I attacking you which is what I usually assume people mean when they say “make something personal.”
As i have said repeatedly on this thread, you are right about the fact that this team has holes and weaknesses that need to be addressed. And until they are the team is not a contender. But the MindRoom is separate from all of that. It’s just a new tool that could potentially help the players with the mental side of the game. There is no reason people can’t be working on that room while MG is working on fixing this team.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Again.
if you hadn’t misused the term “projecting” then no it probably isn’t personal, when you use that term, if it had been meant the way it was used (though not intended as you say now though I had no way of knowing that) then it is in fact a personal remark.
That’s all.
“Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person’s own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have the same feelings or motives, rather than what they really think.”
I don’t think I misused projecting. You don’t like Gillis. On this issue I think you are making a big deal out of something that is pretty innocent because of that dislike. It isn’t personal. I wasn’t attacking you.
by Section 312 on Dec 11, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Still think
you are misinterpreting the definition.
To project is to subconcsiously apply the negative attributes one has themselves, onto others, or attribute those things to them instead of one’s self.
It’s not the same thing as plain old bias out of dislike, which I think is what you meant.
If you say I’m projecting with regard to what I said in the post above that one, then it is indeed a personal attack.
So whatever, it’s up to you.
Being one who is intrigued by the mental aspects of the human condition.....
……I’d give it a try. If it actually works, great. If it doesn’t, there’s always next year to try and build a competitive team. I’d also have AV and staff give it a go. Also Gillis.
You’re in the majority. Most people will. W-a-y more sports teams than people realize try this stuff all the time. It would be more unusual these days to find a major league team that wasn’t trying some of it, actually. It just never seems to make a diff, tho.
If it ever did help, it would probably be by getting the player to realize that, with all this effort people are making, maybe it’s really important that he improve his game. Mind you, the macadamia nuts could do the same thing, and they’re tastier.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
haha. Hey, I appreciate your “neutral” stance, casual. Sure, it’s worth a shot, and I’m sure teams use some of these concepts more than I know. I think I’m tired of Vancouver being a 2nd chance motel. How many chances do Bernier or more-so Wellwood get? Perhaps I’m too old-school sometimes, but nothing beats motivating more than demotion or punishment. That’s where Wellwood turned his game around last year….for a while anyways.
You boys want to shit the bed like that? 100 extra laps around the rink and no breakfast! There is a time and place for everything. Right now, the last thing this team needs is a MindRoom.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
To be honest, Sean, if it were wholly up to me to settle this, I’d try the Mind Room on half the players and the riding crop on the other half and then measure the results.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
i’d try it on just a couple players first, actually.
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
Oh yeah, like we’d give you control of Edler’s mind! “Alex, now I’d like my feet rubbed.” :)
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Yeah, you’re right. 1/3 riding crop, 1/3 Mind Room, 1/3 nothing at all? Can’t be a blind experiment, tho. And interpreting the results – e.g. how well is that player performing now – is tricky. It’d have to be a fairly long-term trial.
More likely, we’ll just give it some time, then judge it subjectively based on how the team is doing. Psychology sure is tough to treat as a science.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Yeah I know there are some challenging issues to overcome in this experiment. For instance selecting who will be in which group. Random is always the best way to go but you wouldn’t want both Sedins in the same group. We also need to come up with a way to statistically measure performance, individually or as a team, or I guess agree on how we are going to measure improvement. We are going to need to do detailed studies of players past performance as well in terms of coming to an understanding of their base level of play.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
It's not
even about that.
Anybody with a clue about management knows you can’t treat everybody the same and get the best results.
Some need a kick in the ass, and regularly, some need a pat on the back, and regularly, some need some of each and regularly, some need nothing, some need to be canned and some need to be promoted, saying all or none will or will not benefit from any one thing is to say that everybody is the same.
Mind Room
that should be the room guys used to be sent to when they didn’t mind the coach… aka the press box…
Ok, I dug a little more. This is more than just new age stuff, this time, it’s a lot more sophisticated than that.
Sounds like it’s fairly new, at least this latest flavor of it. The Italians credit it with helping them win the World Cup. Other pro soccer teams are using it too, such as Chelsea, and seem enthused. Prob worth a shot; costs nothing but the owner’s money.
Stay skeptical, not cynical, and we’ll see what comes of it. I still favor a riding crop as the best incentive, but maybe I’m old-fashioned.
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Something to get you psyched for the game tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIc4VHxU7iM
We’ll Yoik and We’ll Sing!
Canucks win, 5-2
Kesler with the winner
I have that song stuck in my head now
and for the first time it’s not bothering me to have a song stuck in my head
That is awesome shit! Are they Finnish? I guess so. Violin’s and heavy guitar always sound good together.
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t seen fake backdrops that ludicrous since Spinal Tap were on tour.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlf5ucFanpY
One of the funniest parts of a movie ever.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Violin’s and heavy guitar always sound good together.
Not heavy metal but……..Lou Reed’s 60’ album, “Berlin?”
by Bobby Canuck on Dec 10, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Is this serious? Like is this a real band? Am I supposed to be laughing with them or at them? I can’t tell.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Musically? An argument could be made. But I have always found Avril strangely hot in a trashy kind of way.
by Section 312 on Dec 10, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Hey hey you you I don’t like your music
No no way way guess you need some new stuff
by Sean Zandberg on Dec 10, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
that's a falsehood
which has no bearing in truth. Same with the notion that ripped off “Girlfriend” from some shit-band from the 70’s.
Pure horseshit!
warning: new twitter trend
#nhlpasswords
examples from twitter:
“Dion Phaneuf: Overrated”
“Kyle Wellwood: pizzanwings”
“Marty Brodeur: poutine”
“Sean Avery: douchebag”
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
Mike Gillis: RumpledStiltskin
Alain Vigneault: TrappedOut
Rick Rypien: PoundForPound
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
btw, did anyone else notice that henrik is tied for 4th in the league for points?
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
Really? I hadn’t followed the scoring race. Good for him!
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
Where does the league publish the total ice time for a player? Is there a link?
The opposite of serious is not funny; the opposite of serious is unserious.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20102ALLAASAll&sort=timeOnIce&viewName=timeOnIce
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
he tied with 3 others at 36 points. crosby is in 3rd at 37 points, and the top 2 are gaborik and thorton
"If you ever lose your way in the dark, a good thing to find in your pocket would be Mathieu Schneider's teeth." Kurtenbloggers
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler." random commentor at yahoo
GO CANUCKS GO!
5-1 Canucks…little birdies are tired…let’s say…Burrows with the winner
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
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