A Lone Star Friday
by Yankee Canuck on Nov 6, 2009 11:12 AM PST
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2:15 PM ET Update: Botchford (who you really should follow on Twitter) just reported that Cory Schneider will get the start in net tonight. And it also sounds like Neal is indeed out for Dallas.
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Another gutsy performance from the duct tape B squad last night, with particular accolades finally due for the fourth line. If you remember Vancouver's last loss to Calgary, noted puck master Brian McGratton made Vancouver's sleepy defense and fourth liners pay for their soft coverage in letting him drive hard to the net. Last night, Blackout and crew finally got to practice that script: when James Sheppard made an awful clearing attempt in his own zone, it ended up on Hordichuk's stick who rifled a rocket past Backstrom. It was Blackout's first shot of the season (he ended up with 2 SOG last night, so his shooting percentage is a finely-tuned .500) and first goal in 50 games.
In the second game in his second campaign with the Orca, Mr. Petting Zoo potted a goal that, as Sean said, was very lucky and one Backstrom likely would have had if he was playing on top of his game. Nevertheless, it was the old adage of "put the puck on net" that worked and it turned into a huge goal to pad the lead by two and help end Backstrom's night a period early.
And Johnson? As Mike Russo noted, "Guy is taken off on a stretcher nine days ago, and he has an assist, wins 7 of 9 draws and blocks five shots." Not bad for a guy who doesn't belong in the NHL, eh?
So on a night when the team's best line (Kesler's) finished a combined -5, they found another group of heroes. And, once again, Raycroft played a strong game in net for his fourth win of the year. And best news of all: unless they're being coy, no one was injured. I'm as shocked as you are.
If the rumors are true, then it's likely that both Luongo and happy fists Hansen will slot in for Tuesday's game against the Blues. That means tonight - as they head into Big D to visit with their old coach and the rest of the Stars - could be the last time we'll see the B squad together. Based on the way they are playing, that may not be a good thing. As broken as they are with injuries, their game sure doesn't look broke so why fix it?
At any rate, the Canucks may grab a small break tonight if James Neal, the Stars' leading scorer, can't make it tonight because of a sore groin. The Stars may grab a small break if SOB returns from his suspension and AV decides to let him play again.
Dallas has lost three straight, including 2OTLs, and would probably love to blow up on Vancouver. They're only two points behind the Canucks and, with the exception of Neal, are finally healthy and getting contributions from a number of guys, including Richards, Morrow, Ribeiro and Eriksson. They are also getting Mike Modano back after an extended rib injury. In his first game back on Wednesday, the 39 year old center had roughly 15 minutes and some ample PP time, so expect more of him too. Turco is 4-2-4 with a .913 SV% and a 2.33 GAA.
A good preview is available from Andrew's Star Page which shows some side by side comparisons between the two. Good to see Vancouver has the edge in face-off wins so far (51.3% to 48.1%). Maybe Pudge will be the hero on the stat sheet right there.
As usual, more updates will be posted as we get them. If you see anything, throw them in the comments. For more on the Dallas side of things, do stroll on over to Defending Big D.
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Its pretty safe to say that another nickname for Balls could be the Black Knight.
Can just see him trying to face off with no arms…
“right, ’ll do you for that”!
I guess it depends on who he wants out, but at least AV knows who he can count on in various situations the next time injuries hit! But I would also say other teams have scouts at games too, and if we try to hide guys like Glass in the AHL, we may find ourselves getting picked clean on that fucking waiver wire.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
The Black Knight was what we used to call Anson Carter. Hmm..
Botchford is saying on Twitter that he’s hearing Schneider gets the start tonight.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks, updated the post. The Stars should put Auld in so we can see the best of the former (and current) Moose goalies do battle.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Nov 6, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Hansen
will be a welcome addition, and might actually get a real opportunity to shine with all the injuries.
Good point. Focus more on the game and less on his fists. Keep him around Kesler, less around SOB.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Schneider..how unfortunate. I hope the Canucks can play as well in front of him as they did Raycroft.
Agreed, Yoata, I’m looking forward to seeing Hansen back as well. Too bad he wasn’t here for the past month. You never know…he could be in the top 6 by now.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed on Schneider, he seems to fall apart every time we play him. Not really excited to see him in net. Especially after facepalm has been clutch in the last few games.
Burrows + Canucks = Stanley Cup!
Just a couple of weeks ago we were even more down on Raycroft being in net, and again after the Ducks’ game. And Grabner was a meh before he wasn’t, too. Gotta give guys a chance: sometimes they disappoint, sometimes they don’t, but there’s only one way to find out and/or for them to improve.
I’m just saying the Canucks look and play comfortably in front of Raycroft. Are they going to be the same in front of Schneider? Or hang him out to dry? Where are the rebounds going? We’ll find out.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, nice change of tune
Gotta give guys a chance:
What about 19 y/o potential stars, they the only ones that don’t deserve a real chance?
yoata, get over the Hodgson thing already. Jesus!
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
No, it isn’t. The context is different and the contractual issues are different.
by rsm on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Never said that
Giving Schneider a real chance would have been making him backup to start the year, period.
Giving him one game right before Lu comes back seems pretty pointless.
Was just refering to your auto-loss comments yesterday
Was pulling for him to get the backup spot. He didn’t earn it though. He was handily outplayed by Raycroft. The extra work in the AHL is good for him too though, better than riding the pine.
As for the one game being pointless, I bet I could find a redheaded kid somewhere who might disagree with you. :)
I was glad he got the start too, and put in his by far, best NHL performance to date. Great performance for any NHL come to think of it.
All that being said you were still right about the loss. Although a sheet of 4×8 plywood couldn’t have done a much better job.
Hodgson did nothing to prove he deserves a shot in the NHL yet. No matter the reason (injury or whatever), it was obvious he wasn’t ready yet.
Well the Hodgson issue is tricky with the back injury I have to admit. But I’d play him before Grabner because Grabner’s been on the cusp for a couple years (?) now. He’s 22 years old. Hodgson’s still a kid.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
how could anyone assess whether he was ready if he was injured???
Somebody please explain that to me as something other than yet another excuse for yet another Gillis fuck up.
how could anyone assess whether he was ready if he was injured???
Yeah, it’s pretty tough to assess his potential when the kid has a back injury, a terrible injury to have. If it was his hand, it would be different, less critical. We could see his speed more for starters.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 7, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
He probably has skill that’s true. But do you really want someone who’s injured to make the team over someone who is healthy? I don’t get how you can say Hodgson can make the team when he still isn’t healthy. Bottom line he did nothing impressive in the pre-season. If he was injured then he probably shouldn’t have played at all in the pre-season. You pick your roster based on performance not on potential. Hodgson has a lot of potential but did not perform in the pre-season.
how do you perform properly with a herniated disc in your back? That’s so limiting.
Would he have made the team with no back problem? I have no idea. Dave Gagner said weeks earlier that Cody was ready for the NHL.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 8, 2009 2:42 AM PST up reply actions
No change. It’s the difference between giving a guy a test vs promoting him regardless. And Sean’s right; get over it already.
BS you are doing a complete about-face
you just said Grabner didn’t impress either in preseason and yet look at what he’s done with a real chance.
Hodgson would do the same.
Grabner did have a real chance in the pre-season, but he didn’t deliver the goods at the time; everyone here saw it and it was no surprise he was sent back down. It was the right call.
But he persevered and got a 2nd chance cuz he worked so hard that when the next opportunity came by – in this case cuzza injuries – he did better.
Hodgson also had a mediocre camp and everyone here saw that, too. His next chance, I hope he does better too.
Oh, and for fun, if we’d kept Hodgsom, yoata, I’ll note that that wouldda been one less spot, probably the one that Grabner did grab. Good thing MG & AV didn’t deny good young players an opportunity by clogging the roster with players who couldn’t contribute. isn’t it?
“Hodgson would do the same”
He’s not even skating yet! What, you want him to drive the Zamboni on PP’s to screen the goalie? I mean, provided it’s got power steering?
Would Hodgson be on the IR?
What I never understood was that presumably Hodgson would simply be sitting on the IR now, but would still be eligible to play for the team this year, no?
lol
as if Grabner wouldn’t have been called up with all these forwards out, are you serious?
Again, who knows what timetable Hodgson would be on if he hadn’t been pushed to come back too soon, regardless, the point is he was never given a real chance, just as Grabner wasn’t until now, as you said so yourself.
Just glad you finally get the concept.
So Hodgson was pushed but they didn’t give him a chance?
Those are mutually contradictory. Pick one.
Again with the spinning
Are you incapable of dealing straight-up?
Or are you seriously not of the capacity to differentiate between those two concepts?
Pick one.
You can almost hear them singing!
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Nov 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I got a kick out of that! Look at the fans’ faces! haha
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I do remember that game. Turco was in no man’s land and Blackout was going at him like a freight train. And missed him too as the picture shows.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Nov 6, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not expecting a win vs a healthy Dallas team and considering last night’s game and travel (and injuries, obviously).
If they can manage a point from OT, I’d be very happy.
I agree. I got Dallas winning this one.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
So
why is Schneider starting?
Lu is almost back so Rayzor goes back on the bench anyway.
Is AV basically saying these 2 points aren’t important?
I would guess because he started yesterday. Last time he started back to back games, he got lit up by Anaheim.
Oh stop with your hate of management already!
If Schneider is ever going to be dangled as trade bait he needs a little NHL exposure. At least, that’s what I’ve come to assure myself over the course of today.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes. I always have to go back and remind myself! ha
Are you a shrink per chance? A disgruntled employee?
I work in management, so you can get where my bias lies.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
They want to see him succeed and raise his value. If you ever want to move him and get something in return, he needs to get some games in. Helps his development too.
I don’t know what you want.
Should he never get a shot at playing an NHL game? Especially when the number one is out due to injury?
Old enough to have a daughter the same age as missy.
Sadly, she’s not a hockey fan, tho (sobs, hides face in hands).
Not many are
but rest assured I’m well aware of most things Python, pretty much had that script memorized when I was a kid.
I just want
to know if these 2 points are important enough to keep a hot goaltender in who is soon to be put on the shelf,
What is really to be gained by it?
belief that Schneider can get the win
more NHL time for Schneider rather than none at all
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I like Schneider
and would prefer he not be moved, unless it means we get something significant in return, but I also think these 2 points are as important as any throughout the season.
unless it means we get something significant in return
Can we not increase his value by playing him in NHL games? What if he plays awesome tonight? His stock goes up that much more.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
As long as Luongo stays healthy this will probably Schneider’s last game in the NHL this year. Better to try to showcase him now than never.
I have to admit, I’m not thrilled having him in the net. He hasn’t been overly impressive but if he can get a win he can possibly build some confidence at the NHL level.
I hope he does
and I think he’s very capable.
I’d just rather it be at a time when we have a comfortable lead in the standings.
Value stays the same; all that games can do is to expose a player’s true value, one way or another. Price then moves to match that as it becomes apparent. But CS’s price is pretty low these days anyway and will remain so till he can win some NHL games, so we’re not looking at much of a price loss if he plays poorly.
1 game, even a shutout, is going to have GMs lining up to bid on his services?
No, I’m not saying that. It’s just another piece of the asset chain.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
1. Raycroft has not looked good in back-to-back games.
2. Luongo not quite ready yet.
3. Schneider, like Grabner, has earned another shot.
4. Schneider neeeds some NHL games anyway.
5. Team is playing solid defence in front of their goalie lately.
No guarantees in this world, but if we’re playing the odds, they say that now is as good a time as any.
now is as good a time as any for 2 points…
…which is why Raycroft should not start back-to-back.
Only downside is that, if Schneider does well, you’ll need to find something else to blame Gillis for, but we have faith in you.
You can always blame AV. He and Gillis are both Freemasons anyway, accursed world-dominating cabalists! Only Cody the Brave refused to join and that’s why he was sacked.
Won’t someone expose the injustice?
by casual on Nov 6, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure
you would be quite happy if Hodgson and his excuse-making, selfish attitude were gone from this perfect organization of yours so that you could continue to worship your gods without pesky little things like reality or truth getting in the way of your religious belief in them.
I know you think you are “challenging the status quo” and all yoata my man,but denying the things that AV and Gillis have done kind of puts paid to that argument.
We all know your attitude to them…thats fine…I enjoy the disparity of opinions.
But you choose to belittle anyone that says that Gillis has changed this team for the better…or that AV has done a great job moving his players around to get wins through the worst injuries in recent memory .
That doesn’t buttress any argument against either one. To be totally against them going in, you are just not making a good argument…thats all people are saying.
I’m with Sean…I think Gillis has my confidence to do the right thing when its the right time.
This team is far deeper than it ever was under Nonis. If Nonis was in the GM’s chair, he would have already traded prospects and/or picks for supposed “help”.
Hodgson will be fine next year. For physical reasons, he wasn’t ready to impress this year. I have every confidence he will next year.
And no, he hasn’t been treated BAD. Just like any other 18 year old. The difference is that he was built up in the media to be some kind of messiah…and we have to rationalize that he wasn’t to make ourselves feel good about the situation now.
Just my opinion though…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Let’s be honest. Nothing Gillis did can be any worse than giving up 2 potential #1 overall picks for Kessel.
heh
There’s another one I hold an unpopular opinion on, imo it will be Chiarelli, not Burke who regrets that deal.
Not at all
Kessel is a stud, leaf get him, Chiarelli get’s 2 decent chances to score a stud,
B’s are trying to contend and now have to do so without their best goalscorer, Chiarelli chose Krecji over Kessel.
As if they had to
Chiarelli chose to, the minute he signed Krejci first, could’ve made other moves to make room too, nobody has to trade their leading goalscorer that’s just ludicrous.
If he'd signed Kessel
for that deal as an RFA he would have paid more, therefore in fact he underpaid.
You keep
saying that, and yet whenever I ask about specifics of what Gillis has done, I get very little if anything, it’s like there’s a perception that he’s done so much to turn this team around, when in fact, it’s the players that Nonis and Burke put in place who have done so.
You don’t know what Nonis would have done, what we do know is what he did, which was make some damn good moves that were responsible for a big chunk of the core of this team.
Make all the excuses you want, those are the facts and nothing makes a better argument than facts.
I have not been the one belittling anyone, you can look to casual for that, at least lately.
While many pay lip-service to respecting unpopular opinions, when it comes down to it, immature remarks and ignorant dismissal are the typical response to it.
whenever I ask about specifics of what Gillis has done, I get very little if anything
Ehrhoff; fact.
Samuelsson; fact.
M. Schneider; fact.
All three acquired essentially free; fact.
change casual’s diaper, he pooped again.
—yoata
when it comes down to it, immature remarks and ignorant dismissal are the typical response
—yoata
yoata projecting; fact.
casual off to walk the dog now; enthusiastic, slobbering, happy to be alive fact!
Get off it.
That was precipitated by belittling remarks by you all afternoon, nice spin as usual.
And again those three have played what 35 games combined?
2006
RD PICK OVER TEAM PLAYER OBTAINED/COMMENTS
1 1 14 Michael Grabner
2 – 46 BUF Traded for MIKA NORONEN
3 – 77 STL Traded with TOMAS MOJZIS for ERIC WEINRICH (draft
pick later traded to New Jersey)
3 2 82 ANA Daniel Rahimi (obtained as compensation for the Ducks
signing Randy Carlyle as coach)*
4 – 107 NJ Traded for SEAN BROWN
5 – 137 WAS Traded for MAXIME OUELLET (draft pick later traded
to Rangers)
6 3 163 FLO Sergei Shirokov (obtained with Roberto Luongo and
Lukas Krajicek for Bryan Allen, Alex Auld and
Todd Bertuzzi)
6 4 167 Juraj Simek
7 5 197 Evan Fuller
Note about overall draft pick number 38: The Canucks obtained a conditional draft pick from the New York Islanders for Brent Sopel. The Canucks then traded a second round draft pick to Anaheim with Brett Skinner for Keith Carney and Juha Alen. This pick is not listed above because it was not a Canuck pick to begin with and was not used by the Canucks.
- Note 2: When Randy Carlyle was signed by Anaheim as a coach, Anaheim sent Vancouver a 3rd round pick in 2006 and a 2nd round pick in 2007. For some reason, Vancouver sent Anaheim a 3rd round pick in 2008. Just to make it more complicated, Vancouver traded away Anaheim’s 2nd round pick (61st overall) and Vancouver’s 4th round pick in 2008 to Los Angeles for Brent Sopel.
2007
RD PICK OVER TEAM PLAYER OBTAINED/COMMENTS
1 1 25 Patrick White
2 2 33 LA Taylor Ellington (obtained with third round pick
in 2009 — later traded to Buffalo — for DAN
CLOUTIER)
2 – 56 CHI Traded for BRYAN SMOLINSKI
3 – 86 CHI Traded for STEVE MCCARTHY
4 – 116 ATT Traded for TOMMI SANTALA and Atlanta’s fifth round
pick in 2007. Calgary eventually used this pick
5 3 145 ATT Charles-Antoine Messier (see above)
5 4 146 Ilya Kablukov
6 5 176 Taylor Matson
7 6 206 Dan Gendur
These are the reasons I dislike Nonis…traded picks for players not even around the league anymore.
Yes, he built some of this team…he also traded too many picks away.
And had a bit too much of a mancrush on Brent Sopel too!
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
And Gillis
Soup
Demo
Wellfed
Bernier
SOB
Hordichuk
At least Nonis had the guts to make real trades not just go dumpster diving.
You like the 2nd and 3rd Gillisgan gave up for the $2M 3rd liner?
Yeah I do!
Bernier is only 23…not like Weinrich, or any other OLD player that Nonis got.
But this is tiresome….you refuse to even acknowledge that anything Gillis has done is good…so its kind of silly to continue to try talk about…
Nonis did not make REAL trades…he made trades to try and keep his job.
Gillis trades for young players with upside.
Nonis, apart from the Luongo steal, seemed to go for the more aged types.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
LOL old player?
Younger players with upside?
Like
Soup
Demitra
Schneider
???
LOL Nonis didn’t make “real” trades?
Luongo?
Mitchell?
What “real trade” has Gillis made then?
Nonis traded for some young projects too, too many and I slagged him for it just the same, and none of Gillis’ have so far turned out any better than his.
The fact you can’t even admit that Bernier has not lived up to expectations and is a waste at $2M on the 3rd line says a lot.
Seriously, you say I can’t give Gillis credit, but I have, I like the Erhoff and Samuelsson deals so far, and I liked him drafting Hodgson, but then he fcuked that up too.
But are you capable of criticisizing him? Is there nothing you can point to and say that was a mistake?
At least
the older guys Nonis picked up were cheap depth players not counted on to carry the team or suck up huge money.
Cue Yoata rote response. You are as predictable as the rain in Nov. in Vancouver.I am capable of critiquing him, but not to the depths of your personal witch hunt. I can only guess at the reasons…but I ceased to care a long time ago. Because it is so predictable what you will say.
Be a fan sometime Y man, not someone who honestly thinks he could do a better job…just for the record, you couldn’t. The man was a 1st round pick. Smart enough to become a powerful agent. Been around the game all his life at the highest levels.
I doubt neither you nor I could say that. When he makes some serious mistakes, I will rag on him, but Sundin? Liked that one? Demo? Injured..was playing worth his money before.
Schneider targeted the Canucks and took a huge paycut. A GM that doesn’t take advantage of that is an idiot, regardless of his age.
I tried telling you a while back what I liked the most of what MG has done. He has changed the culture of the team. He came in and told them they weren’t good enough yet…then saw they may have been better than he thought. (Sedins/Luongo).
He signed them, and every player he brought in has come to camp in the best shape of his life. Welly, SOB, Bernier. They all bought in. You can’t say that about teams playing under Nonis OR Burke, where passengers and a sense of entitlement were the norm.
BTW…in regards to Bernier-(who, by the way, is exactly why I think you have suspect ability in assessing hockey players. Bernier has more than earned his 2 mil. He is strong on the puck. He is good in front of the net. We all laugh at his hands, but he is young and can get better there. All you do is belittle him though. For what 2 mil buys in the NHL, a player that is young, strong, and can play in every situation the coach asks him to, as well as lead his team in hits…yeah…he is worth his money..) is on the 1st line right now..as well.
If you would open your eyes and see beyond your proclivities for hubris, you may actually realize that the biggest thing MG did was change the culture.
The players all say it. The radio guys that love to talk of nothing else but the team over on 1040. People on the street. Polls in the paper.
Everyone sees it but you Yoata. Why is that? Is it because you are the “one voice crying out in the wilderness”, or the fact that maybe, just maybe, the majority might have a point? I vote the latter…
Whatever, keep gnawing the bone of Nonis’s dismissal. The fact is, this team is closer to the ultimate goal than they ever were under Charlie Brown.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
What a copious load of bs
without ever saying anything factual.
Was there actually a critique of Gillis in there somewhere? Of course not, you, like most, are incapable, the man is your god, infallible in every way, even when he fails miserably as he has mostly done.
You liked Soup for 2 x $10M or even 60% OF $8.6M???
And I’m a bad judge of ability? LOL That signing was crap, Soup didn’t bring half of what the mighty Gilis and his flock expected, but still he gets a pass.
Changed the culture? Polls in the paper? 1040? yawn, show me results, not bs.
LMAO again, you think a 3rd liner who “is strong on the puck” (which isn’t even that true) is worth $2M and my ability to assess is suspect? LOL
How the fuck are they closer than under Nonis, please explain that? Oh right “culture” LMAO.
If they are closer it’s still because of what Nonis put on the table and you know it.
Wow…Jesus Yoata up on his tiny little cross.
Look Y man…you have no real sense of fairness on this issue. You hate Gillis. Thats fine, its your opinion.
But your rude shouting down of anyone who diegns to disagree with you on the issue is tiresome.
You do realize you are the Mr. Wilson when it comes to Gillis right? That most of the good points you make about the team on other things are rendered a little shot to their reasoning every time you go off on it? That it makes the majority of smart hockey people here laugh at you?
Look…I don’t want to argue with you. I suspect it will turn out much the same.
You will never admit to anyone else having a cogent point on this issue. I don’t know why. I don’t care either.
I don’t need to show you any “results”, you obtuse twit, the results are out there every time you talk to people. Look it up yourself. I have read enough about what other people think about Gillis that I really have no obligation to explain it to you. You are like the sad Oly protestors. two thirds of the people voted for the friggen thing, but sad people seem to think that being loud in their protest is akin to being right.
Its more akin to the plaintive braying of an ass….
While its sad and childish of you and the small MINORITY that like whining about how great Nonis was, I choose to be above it. He made some good moves, sure. He also continually traded draft picks for old players not even in the league any more.
I asked you this before, you ignored it like you do every argument that you have no response for.
How in the fuck is it Gillis’s fault for the players he inherited? Or any fucking GM that takes a new job.? Its a stupid argument. Gillis has gotten more out of the guys he has then Charlie Brown ever did. Again, the players all say it in interviews. Are you actually saying you know more than the players do?
LMAO is not a mature response there son. Its childish, and just shows you have no real argument to contradict a statement, so you fall back on the high school response of just loudly making fun.
So, on this subject at least, I will treat you like a naughty child and ignore your antics.
There really is not a point in trying to educate you. Your mind is not open enough to listen.
I would enjoy reading the response that has more than dismissive cyber short speak and real reasons why any argument I made is wrong. The response above was none of that.
Sundin helped the way this team plays. It cost nothing but money that isn’t yours, and the owner, players, and coaches all agreed that his impact was huge.
Your hatred of Gillis obfuscates your ability to see it. The same as Bernier improving and being good value for someone of 2 mil. (BTW….WTF are you going to get for 2 mil that would be as good? Sidney Fucking Crosby?) And, he took a small discount, like Gillis has had several others take. Don’t remember players saying they would take less when Nonis was here.
Or hearing guys like M. Schneider actually targeting the team instead of having to sell them on it. FAs want to come here now. Gillis did that. Not Nonis.
Choosing to be dismissive is one way to go in a discussion there son. Not the most mature way. Seems to be the only way you react to anything you don’t understand or can’t refute though.
Sad really. Have a nice day.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
You
are obviously of the opinion that saying something over and over will make it true, too funny.
Soup was a complete waste and if anybody but a Nuck fan made the kind of bs excuses you just did for the kind of garbage signing he was, you would be the one laughing, but you are so blinded by your love for all things Gillis that you can’t even see the reality that whatever plattitude intangibles anybody wants to heap on the guy, he did not contribute near enough in realistic terms to be worth half of what he was paid, let alone what he was offered. Ask any non-Nuck fan if that was a good signing before you start tossing around terms like obtuse and twit, because you should be looking in the mirror when you do idiot.
And I will say this again because you obviously missed it before probably because your head was buried inside your own rectum. I do not hate Gillis, I am realistic about Gillis and what he has brought and not brought to this team, and because most are high on his bs, that = hate to them, but there is no animosity, just calling things the way they are. He absolutely cannot be faulted for what he inherited, but he should have had the sense and class not to disparage those whom he inherited it from, that was bush, as was his handling of Hodgson, as was his offer to Souptin.
You want to sugarcoat all that and/or make excuses for it, go ahead, but the facts are the facts.
FA’s want to come here? Yeah because Gillisgan throws ridiculous offers at them, wow great talent that is.
Again you say Bernier is a good value???
How???
Ask any non Nuck if that’s true of a $2M 3rd freakin liner who offers little. I’m sure you’d be saying that if he were a Nonis acquisition and not a Gillis one? (the only reason he was re-signed). Like hell you would and you know it.
Again I will ask, is there anything you can criticize Gillis for? Anything? No?
So who’s the biased one?
Educate me? That is so typical of you, you arrogant prick, you’d have to fucking know something first, moron.
This is so boring.
I tell you that you don’t give Gillis his fair due.
I give you points. You come back with the equivalent of yelling and insults. Not one paragraph that does not contain one.
I am trying to educate you on how to have a respectful conversation, but evidently you want to bully me. Good luck with that.
Insults and your last paragraph are the last refuge of the childish and the incompetent. So, I won’t engage in them.
You should be ashamed of yourself. I doubt that you would use such insulting and cowardly language in person either.
Berniers numbers play out, right now, to 20 goals and as many assists. That is easily worth 2 mil or more in today’s NHL.
How about lets just agree to disagree on him too. You obviously fall in love with your own pronouncements that you like to make. You have decreed that Gillis is a bum, and that Bernier is the same. Fine.
You are wrong. But it is your right to be wrong, so wallow in it.
Why not come up with a real argument. Like, maybe that Gillis is doing more with less, unlike Burke and Nonis. Nonis in particular made more bad deals than Gillis has.
The only thing I will say is that you may be right that he has fallen in love with rehabbing waiver wire guys. Though, I think either at the deadline or if the team spirals, he would be more likely this year to pull the trigger than last year.
When Burkie got here, he didn’t have the bucks. He built it up, and I am thankful of that too. For a while though…the Canucks have been one of the richer teams.
But Nonis was handed as many players to build on as Gillis was. Thats just the way it is.
I would criticize Gillis for something when he does something stupid. So far, all he has done is do what MOST Canucks fans like. I agree with the majority.
I commend you for your unwavering, unflinching denial of it. There is something to be said for such bullheadedness.
See, a whole post, and I didn’t insult you once. How about you try it yourself. The insults are boring. You tell us how much better you are than that.
Try acting like it.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
LOL
You really are clueless to your own arrogance and insulting demeanor aren’t you?
Yes to you you haven’t been insulting, only me, therein lies the problem, you have been nothing but insulting to me from day 1 but to you I’m sure it’s just “truth” as if you would know the meaning of the word.
I have made many many good arguments for my pov with you, all of which have been completely ignored in favour of the flavour of Gillis’ koolaid, or dung, there is no difference to you obviously, it’s all good.
When Gillis does something stupid?
Offering Mats Sundin a 2 year $20M deal isn’t enough for you? Then nothing is, as I’ve already said.
Publicly criticizing the 19 y/o future of this team by basically accusing him of faking or using an injury as an excuse for poor performance?
Day 1 on the job insulting his predecessors, the very same people who provided the vast majority of the “success” he now enjoys.
Those are just the most glaring examples, but you can’t see any of them any more than you can see that nobody, not even the Wings with all their depth, have a $2M 3rd liner, certainly not on as ineffectual as Steve Bernier, who, since Gillis traded good draft picks for and then re-signed, must automatically be a good value in your lovelorn eyes.
Nonis wasn’t handed Roberto Luongo, he was handed Floatuzzi and had the savvy and the balls to turn him into Luongo. Nonis was canned because of the ridiculous # of injuries the top 4 D suffered that year, and that’s all, and I hope Gillisgan suffers the same fate after doing far too little to improve this team that he said wasn’t close to contending, and pissing away opportunities to do so on the likes of Souptin, Demitra, SOB, Bernier, Wellfed, Hordichuk, etc. Wow, what great GMing, no wonder you love him, you are as incompetent a hockey mind as he is.
I’m sorry, maybe you didn’t realize it in the way you keep gnawing at it.
You were dismissed son.
I don’t want to talk to you on this subject.
I thought after our last encounter, you might have turned over a new leaf. Yet you seem to have some reason to come after me ALL out of proportion to what has been said.
Grow up, and start your posts more with something other than “you are arrogant”.
I don’t understand it. You sound like you have some intelligence at times, and then its just back to trying to convince me, or whomever else reads the posts, that you are right and I am wrong.
Fine…if it will shut you the fuck up.
You are right.
Feel better?
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
He and Gillis are both Freemasons anyway, accursed world-dominating cabalists!
rec’d
Haha!
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Um…no. Organized outfits can suck my d…
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Casual and Yoata! Get a room! There’s just to much sexual tension between the two of you. Go Schneider, go Canucks. Does anyone know if Bernier will be back in the lineup tonight? If so, then does Bieksa get back on the blueline with Rome out of the lineup?
Bieksa still on first line.
Bernier still banished to his hotel room….he wasn’t on the team plane even…sent him solo another way…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Yeah, they sent him back to Van before the last game.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 6, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Actually that’s not true. He was in a Dallas hotel…his OWN room apparently. Quarantined
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 7, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
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