Brothers Gonna Work It Out. Sharks-Canucks Game Thread
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 6:00 PM PST
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San Jose Sharks at Vancouver Canucks, Nov 29, 2009 7:00 PM PST
I wouldn't blame you for thinking the Sharks are going to take this one. I am fighting the negativity myself. But what better chance for the Canucks to make the boldest of bold statements this young season by playing the second game in 2 nights and beating the awesome Sharks? It CAN happen. We have a damned good team here.
Keeping with the rap theme for game threads... you ever listen to Public Enemy? I only ever got into their first 3 albums, which were rap classics. To this day, "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" still blows my mind and gets my blood flowin'. Ear candy.
In 1995, you'll twist to this
As you raise your fist to the music
United we stand, yes divided we fall
Together we can stand tall
Brothers that try to work it out
They get mad, revolt, revise, realize
They're super bad
Small chance a smart brother's
Gonna be a victim of his own circumstance
Go get 'em, Canucks! Make us believe!
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you know i’m bored when i actually put on football…….
canucks.com has the live pre-game feed going up in a few minutes, i’ll watch to see if it’s rypper or hordichuk out there….
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
I played football in high school. It was the best experience I ever had playing an organized sport, and I absolutely would be still playing if my university had a team.
And yet, I have to be bored to watch the game on TV…
...loving life for Christ's glory...
wow, the roughriders were about to win it, but there was a flag at the last second, and the alouettes retried and got the 3 points needed for the win!
wow. just wow.
and now back to hockey.
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
I don't know, but he's a Badger alumnus. All that really matters.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Nov 29, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Heatley received an eye injury many moons ago. As a result, it left his eye permanently dilated.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)
by ang6666 on Nov 29, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm … makes you wonder if it improved it … super powers like huh?
(okay that was just silly)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality? (boycott Hollywood!)
by ang6666 on Nov 29, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely incredible.
The first field goal is wide, and the Riders have too many guys on the field to give them another chance.
Wow…
And now…lets drop the puck!
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
i know.
i don’t watch football, but i put on the game because i was bored.
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
Alex Burrows just made some $$ off his teammates
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Only if he bet straight up…the line was 10…so, if they went with the spread, Hordi lost some dough…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Hmm...Lu is starting again.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
i guess AV and co are betting that the clock has struck midnight with cinderaycroft
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Side note: Yahoo is awesome.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
….only if you’re not in canada…..
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
I don't know enough...would a proxy work?
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Nov 29, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, for you. They don’t stream the games up here.
I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
PUDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
WELLY!!!
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
Nice…Nabby looks like he has the Roxy Flu! Almost got a penalty there.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Like that Roxy Flu! I’ve got a Morgans Flu.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
they had it last game too
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
there was a lot of yelling and cheering at the house I was at! Good times!
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
haha, fair nuff. i think it’s been going on a few games at least…
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
i hope it’s not a trend they’re trying to start up there. it’s lame.
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
Agreed. We're not effing Dallas or something.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Nov 29, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
i like that bell they have in st. louis though, that is pretty cool
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
i like the fact that we’re trying something that’s (AFAIK) unique. but yeah, it’s kinda a lame effort.
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
The bell is cool in St. Lou but I hate it because I hate the Blues! :)
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
hmm, true. maybe they could replace several sections with an enormous fish tank and have an orca in there and teach it to breach when the canucks score?
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
They changed the announcer to Ric Flair
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It makes me think of drunken frat guys tailgating before a football game at a southern university.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Sometimes their families are right there with them.
In some states there are only two sports: football and spring football.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
also: open season on the head coach if the team loses to (insert historically pathetic rival)
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
And don’t forget the boster club (!) paying for the salary of a fired head coach so the school can buy a better one.
College football people are scary.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
That’s why I like Canadian college sports just the way they are.
I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
It also makes me happy I went to a small college.
We had a football team, but since the school was known primarily for its academics there wasn’t the same level of insanity. It was more a fun place to hang out with friends in the nice fall weather.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
i can’t watch a game in the swamp or death valley without having the occasional pang of regret though.
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
udub. wazzu sucks so much shit it’s insane.
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
hehe, was this a sarcastic “thanks” from an alum/relative? if so, sorry.
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Huskies, something like 30-0
WSU might be the worst division 1 team
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
UW is a bad team, and hadn't shown up for a couple of games previously.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
my friend just joined a 20-minute-old facebook group called “I HATE THAT GUY WHO RAN ON THE FIELD AND LOST US THE CUP”
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
Nothing like a “too many men” penalty in any sport for inducing rage in the fans.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
As we knew first-hand too many times last year.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Nov 29, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
The road back to Regina will be paved with broken watermelons.
I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
Saskatchewan fans got into the habit of wearing watermelon shells on their heads. I have no idea why, but they are some of the most ardent fans in the CFL. They come from all over the province for Roughrider home games.
I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
okay ...
Strange, but no odder than the cheesehead hats Packers fans wear.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
well….i don’t think saskatchewan is necessarily a mecca of watermelon-growing…
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I must not be a true Packer fan, I've never owned or even worn one of those.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Nov 29, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Think about wearing a watermelon on your head in sub zero temps…not the brightest guys either!
LOL
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Well I got back home just in time to just miss Wellwood’s goal. Anyone care to tell me how it happened?
by Beantown Canuck on Nov 29, 2009 7:21 PM PST reply actions
He stole the puck from a Shark in SJ’s zone and charged in 2 on 1 with glass. Wristed one past Nabokov who was too deep in his net
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
powerplay!
nabokov getting rough
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
I think he does have the Roxy flu! He’s cranky! haha
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
how much is an australian dollar worth?
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
just saw a poker commercial where they were talking about the aussie tournament, and the grand prize is 1 million aussie dollars
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
One last game, wasn't there?
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Nov 29, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Damn. Back to square one. Scary Square.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
ok, let’s remember yesterday’s pp and try to emulate
by Beantown Canuck on Nov 29, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions
Alright PP!
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
They were saying Schneider made 2 follies
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure on that
but Hordichuk just watched the Jose winger go for the puck in the corner as he stood out at the top of the circle all by himself.
well, our powerplay isn’t so productive right now…..
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
It didn’t do much until Woody and Glass got out there. Who woulda thunk?
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
If White never plays in the NHL, which looks likely, where does that Ehrhoff trade rank in Canuck lore? It’s looking like it’s going to be a pretty lopsided deal.
Still a pretty bad move. You can’t tell me they couldn’t have gotten back at least one player who looks like they might be a decent NHLer.
I doubt the Sharks asked for White and Rahimi specifically.
Gotta give Gillis credit for not offering up a real prospect.
Who knows
Maybe he didn’t offer anyone, maybe they just wanted to dump salary and that pretty much means prospects, so who’s left besides the untouchables?
Did they
even have that much cap?
Not sure they were in a position to ask for much, time was running out on the Heatley deal and how many teams could take on those two guys’ salary?
I’d say the limited options played a big part in the steal, but still Gillis made the deal, he gets the credit.
Hansen is making league minimum (550k) and Raymond is in the last year of ELC (760k). I’m sure they would’ve fit under the Sharks’ cap.
They signed Malhotra a month after the trade to 700k.
That would’ve been negated if they got either Raymond or Hansen to play the same minutes.
Again
no position to bargain.
Malhotra is a defensive specialist, they weren’t going to address that need with either of those two.
4th line checker (3rd line on a bad team).
I just found out he was drafted 7th overall in 1998 and hasn’t accomplished anything really.
Well yeah.
But you said he’s not accomplished, when he is. He didn’t play up to expectations (offensive dude) but he’s a pretty good defensive forward.
Is Hordichuk or Rypien one of our defensive specialist then?
Checker is clock-killing to give top 6 or 9 time to rest.
Defensive specialist is matching up with the top lines/player and shutting them down.
Just what I think.
exactly.
that 2006 trade with florida is still much more lopsided
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
They weren’t going to re-sign him so they got one of the top power forwards in the league in return. It just looks worse in hindsight because it turns out Bertuzzi’s career was basically over. Or at least the part of his career where he was good.
Nah
that was a great trade by Nonis, addition by subtraction alone, and then getting him quickly re-signed.
I am just saying at the time you could kind of see why Florida made the trade.
ANd I don’t think there is any such thing as addition by subtraction. And I happen to know for a fact that the players in that room loved Bert. Maybe his on ice play was getting drastically worse but the other players had no problems with him. Coaches? A different story.
OK you didn’t really respond to anything I said though.
On the day of the trade you could understand why Florida made the deal. That’s all I am saying.
They got
something instead of nothing, that’s why they made the deal at all.
Mike Keenan is the reason they accepted the 260lb butterfly for Lu, he and they obviously grossly overvalued what was left of his ability.
Right in hindsight that is right. But as I have said about 8 times now I am talking about on the day of the trade.
OK now I know you are being an ass just to be an ass. Krajicek was one of the worst D men in our teams history and Allen is still a steady stay at home presence.
You do make some great points yoata. I am coming around on this trade. Maybe just say fuck one more time.
And neither is
“you are just being an ass”
Don’t whine to me about being offensive when you start with that crap.
Get a grip.
I really thought you were joking about Krajicek so I said that part with a big cheeky grin on my face. Turns out you aren’t much of a judge of a D man.
Again
that’s not offensive either.
I would take Krajicek over Allen right now, again, at least he can skate, Allen is a pylon.
If a guy is in the NHL they can skate. Maybe not as quick as other guys but they can still skate well enough do to the job. As Allen’s +/- on a bad team shows.
You
were the guy talking about talent, Krajicek has more in his skatelaces than Allen will ever have.
AND
I didn’t whine about you being offensive to me. I just pointed out that fuck is an offensive word.
I didn’t even say it was a good deal for Florida. All I said was that at the time of the trade you could understand why Florida did it.
did anyone mention that Auld was a part of that deal?
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I would have made that deal too at the time. Bertuzzi was labelled as needing a change of scenery.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Then
you also overrated what was left of his abilities.
To me it was as big a steal then as it is now.
You would have been in the minority then. Most people didn’t think it was as big of a rip off as it turned out to be at the time it was made. How could they? No one knew Bert would only play 7 games as a Panther.
# of games
is irrelevant, addition by subtraction, as I said, I cheered no part of that deal more than them getting rid of that floater.
Even if Lu didn’t re-sign, which I was never should would happen at that point.
Minority or not, that was my take then.
I don’t get how number of games is irrelevant. The fact he played so little for them makes it even more lopsided than anyone could have ever imagined. At the time I thought it wasn’t that bad of a move for them. I was wrong. Sounds like your initial reaction was right.
They got
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473574
for him though, which as a Wings fan was way too much to give up, not that I wanted him there at all.
It’s going to take over 3 years before we can judge the Ehrhoff trade unless you guys know something about White that I don’t
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but remember, the Sharks did it 100% for the salar dump of Erhoff + Lukowich, not many others would take Luko, and I don’t think SJ was willing to pocket the cost of slotting him in the AHL like the Canucks would. So you gotta put it in context with what the teams were trying to do. Think of it this way from San Jose perspective:
Ehr + dumping Luko + Cheechoo + Michalek + 2nd rounder = Dany Heatley + longshot “prospects”
Based on who they had in their system, I think the Sharks did ok.
by Beantown Canuck on Nov 29, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
“dumping Luko”.. ah that still breaks my heart. I wish he was playing on our team right now. I’d take him over…Bieksa I think.
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Salary dump or not they got our worst two prospects basically. There are teams like the Leafs who would have been willing to give up a mid level prospect to get Ehrhoff and pay Luko to play in the AHL. You gotta be able to get some better prospects than Rahimi and White. Two guys who would be a shock if they have anything more than brief NHL careers.
This was in the preseason was it not? When the Ehrhoff trade was made? Not yesterday. I am just saying there are teams with money who would be willing to eat a salary like Luko’s to get a guy like Ehrhoff and we got him for our two worst prospects. They could have done better.
If they had
made the deal earlier maybe, but they wanted Heatly and time was running out, very few teams at that point had the room or were willing to make it, that’s why they took so little for him.
I don't think Doug Wilson even cared who he got in return.
Nucks did a favor by taking Luko. And remember before the trade Ehrhoff wasn’t playing at the level he is right now. I doubt he would be playing this well with the Sharks. He needed a change of scenery. Letting Ehrhoff go opened up a spot for some young guys (Jason Demers, Derek Joslin, maybe even Nick Petrecki in the future) to get playing time.
Besides, if White fails to reach the NHL or something like that Sharks get a second round pick.
Even in a salary dump it matters what you get back. If you are a GM you have to maximize your return. They got two terrible prospects back. I will never believe that is the best they could have done.
I understand it just fine. What part of you still have to maximize your returns in all situations don’t you get? They clearly didn’t get the maximum back that they could have. As I said a couple of draft picks would have been a better deal.
So who was offering them a couple draft picks that you know of that proves your point that this wasn’t the maximum they could get?
by Beantown Canuck on Nov 29, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
But...
they weren’t trying to maximize their returns as it was a SALARY DUMP.
Okay this argument is going in circles..
If you aren’t trying to maximize your returns, even in a salary dump situation, you aren’t doing your job. That’s like saying, “OK we have to get rid of this salary let’s take the first deal that comes our way.” No, you have to find out that there aren’t any better deals out there first.
Well
maybe this was the best deal, I’m not Doug WIlson so I don’t know and I’m guessing you don’t know.
I just can’t imagin how it could be based on how little they got back. They came as close as ever to a "bag of pucks’
I think if Ehrhoff has been playing as he had with the Sharks, your opinion on this would be different.
Okay.
Just make sure you relax it bit more because him misplaying the puck in your own crease can be bad on the heart!
He played on the powerplay and such and had a decent shot but was notorious for his defensive blunders.
If you’re a believe in the plus/minus he was a -12.
+12 so far this year. No complaints yet. Other than when that punk Patrick Kane muscled him off the puck in a battle. That was sad.
Just saying I haven’t seen too many blunders yet. Bieksa and Edler (somewhat) have stood out more in that department.
I know!
I was talking about Ehrhoff’s play prior to this season! I never said he’s not playing well now…
Says who?
That was never mentioned in any reporting I read here…and the Canucks media would have dug that out.
Fuck that…you get what you get.
Buyer beware, so to speak!
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
The deal was Ehrhoff and Luko for Rahimi and White.
You got no second round pick, as far as I know…thats what I was asking…you said if White doesn’t make the NHL you get a 2nd rounder and that is just a …NO.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Not as of now.
But if White fails or whatever I forgot how it works Sharks get a 2nd round pick. I’ll try to find you a link.
There has never been a deal like that made in the NHL as far as I can remember.
You don ’t get a 2nd if he never makes the NHL…period.
There is no conditional pick…pretty sure
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Gotcha…is more of a signing a college player thing…not a specific pick
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
it was a headshot. But you know what I think of those :)
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Jeez, for a team playing back to back, it’s not wise taking so many penalties like this. They’re going to pay for it.
Damn.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
fuck it!
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
hey Section
shouldn’t you be pointing out how offensive this is?
In a completely non whining/bitching/complaining way of course…
oh goodness…….
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
Sorry
just seems to be a problem all of a sudden with the F word, but not because I used it to tell him to fuck off, just in general. : O
Sorry yoata I didn’t think finding that word offensive was as controversial an opinion as it turned out to be. I apologize for calling you an ass even though I really did do it in a joking sense. Didn’t mean anything by it.
30 assists. Jesus...
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
lol I was watching that earlier. I’m a fan of Crosby but that was so obviously made by a Canadian. They’re totally building up Sid like he has waaay more character or whatever and is a better person or something. It’s soo biased.
truth be told, i prefer ovie to sid.
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
Same here.
Both very good players, but completely different personalities. If they were ice cream, Crosby would be plain vanilla, and Ovechkin would be chocolate cherry nut crunch. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
lol. I’m biased because I used to be a Pens fan so I like Crosby more. Ovie obviously has a lot of skill and I think he’s a better hockey player but I just like Crosby more.
I think
Sid’s the better player, maybe not as good a goalscorer, but then that’s because he has other options when the puck hits his stick, AO basically just shoots all the time.
Plus I think Sid is better 2-ways.
Ya, I agree. I kinda like the way Ovie throws his body around although he can get into trouble and be a bit dirty.
Well after all the fun of our first heated argument I am a little sad to say I agree with yoata. Sid is better all around and has a better resume at a young age. Ovie can be very one dimensional at times. He is brilliant at that one dimension. But still.
Yeah
I wish I had reacted differently to that comment you made, have enjoyed the fact that we have been able to disagree completely on a number of things without it getting personal, wish I knew you were joking there.
My fault. Should have made it more clear. A wink or smiley face or something. Let’s pretend it never happened.
WRONG.
Don’t ca;; Ovie “just a shooter”.
Sid is a fantastic player…don’t get me wrong.
But Ovie is far more than just a shooter…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Never said
that’s all he was, said that’s mostly what he does, it’s ridiculous how much he shoots a lot of the time, he’s got great players there to play with but he rarely uses them, tries to do it all himself, obviously loves the glory.
oh sid goes both ways alright
/too easy, sorry
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
He probably is better overall – but I just don’t like him.
He reminds me of a slimy little puke I knew in high school who to this day I would be tempted to run over if he was crossing the street in front of me. Just a gutless little brownnoser.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Come on
that’s a reason to hate somebody you don’t even know?
He’s not as flashy as AO but he’s classy and humble and a great leader.
Never said
I did, saying because he looks like someone you know and don’t like seems a silly reason to hate someone.
I never said it was his appearance. He has a very bland personality and seems as though everything he says was run through three focus groups before he allows it to actually be spoken, and most of the people I have known who chose their words that carefully were manipulative of others.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I just don’t like Crosby because of the suckfest and because he’s a Penguin!
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
It is a bit politian-esque but I think because he grew up looking up to other players he wants to be a good role model to other young athletes growing up.
If he wants to be a true politician
He’d better hurry. He has a lot of bribes to take and women to fool around with. And he’d better get married soon so he can start cheating on his wife and non-apologizing about it!
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Maybe
he’s just more reserved?
I’d say most are compared to AO, the guy’s a bit of an attention whore.
Ovechkin is just an extrovert. He has a different personality. Nothing wrong with it at all.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
AO is the best thing to happen to hockey pretty much ever. The sport needs a guy who looks like he’s actually enjoying the game and with a dab of charisma.
Crosby is the most boring superstar in the history of sports.
Sometimes I wonder about that, just because of the generational difference. I wonder how many younger fans and more recent fans have no memory of him as a player at all and only know him as a coach of a bad team in Arizona.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
he retired when i was 10. i knew he was “The Great One”, but i didn’t get to see him play.
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
That’s what I mean. Everyone who knows anything about hockey knows his nickname, and they can easily find his statistics, but unless someone saw him play they might be entirely puzzled by the reverent tones that some older fans use when they talk about him and wonder why the heck such a bad coach gets so much attention.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Because
that bad coach was a rookie and the highest paid coach in the league, McWayne has a great image but he’s an egomaniac.
That’s what I mean, though. They wouldn’t associate the attention with anything about him other than being overhyped, not how good he was as a player.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I have little
sympathy for him, he’s still constantly hyped more than any player in history, some of which is an insult to the greats that have gone before.
I have no sympathy either
I’m just saying that there is a disconnect between those who saw him play and those who just dismiss stories about him as the ramblings of oldsters who always think that things were better when they were kids and the modern generation is a bunch of useless know-nothings.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Ovechkin does, too.
He was talking about meeting Gordie Howe in an interview, and there was such a tone of awe in his voice. It was nice to see.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I could see your argument if he was one of the greats. But he is the greatest. His stats are so much better than anyone elses in history that I think they get it. I mean 200 plus points in a season? You don’t need to have seen him play to get that.
Not
the greatest, one of imo.
To me Orr and Howe are the greatest ever, nobody dominated every aspect of the game the way those two did, especially Howe, and he did it for 20+ years.
Kids have an attention span of about 20 seconds at best anymore, though. He’s retired now, therefore he can’t be important. It doesn’t make sense, but history is irrelevant in general and they just roll their eyes when anyone talks about old stories.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I ride around on buses with 16-20 year old hockey players and they love when the coaches start talking about Howe and Orr. Can’t get enough of the clips of those old guys when they watch Rock em Sock em. I don’t think you are giving the new generation enough credit.
Young players
maybe Section, but I agree with Baroque in general, the youth are vacuous for the most part and into instant gratification and not much else.
I’m talking more about the fans that the NHL is trying to bring in than about hockey players, though.
Kids playing hockey are going to be interested in the same way that kids playing baseball are going to love to hear stories about Roberto Clemente and Nolan Ryan in his prime.
Just people that the league is trying to get interested enough to buy tickets and come to games don’t connect as well with old stories.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Section is correct
I was following hockey during Gretzky’s entire career. He arrived, pummeled all scoring records and no one since has had the same stats. Lemieux was sublime and had his own magic and there were fans who thought he was better than Gretzky but as Section says, all you have to do is look at his stats. And he played consistently at that level and retained similar yearly stats for a good part of his career. Those of us who saw him play throughout those years consider themselves pretty lucky to have done so.
by Bobby Canuck on Nov 30, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Saw him play
plenty, mostly on an absolutely stacked team that played the most purely offensive style in the history of the game against the most diluted competition ever.
He was great, but point totals don’t tell the whole story, especially comparing different eras.
Besides that, he was one-dimensional, couldn’t hit or take one, not much for checking, and couldn’t beat the shit out of his own diaper.
Howe and Orr did it all, and better than most if not everyone else.
Already said
I do.
And for similar reasons.
Yeah AO is more physical, he’s a lot bigger too, but Crosby hits, takes hits, fights, goes to the dirty areas, Gretzky was a total permiter player, a great one no doubt, but nonetheless not in any way a complete player, and neither is AO. His deficiencies are in using his teammates and paying attention to defense, basically he is selfish. Crosby is anything but.
one of the things i noticed (mainly from that commercial) is that sid seems to be overly focused on his hockey, and ovie is much more relaxed and uses his free time to enjoy himself.
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
Well Caps
management ain’t complaining due to all the hype I’m sure, but yeah, for my money I’ll take the guy who wants to win so bad it’s all he cares about.
Ahhh...
…Yoata, we disagree about something.
Crosby is a whiny baby. Cannot STAND him.
Probably has something to do with the fact that the 2005 Memorial Cup was more remembered for Crosby losing than the Knights winning, but still…Crosby is a wuss.
Plus he is tutoring Mario’s kid. Imagine how good this guy could be. Mario is your dad. Sid is teaching you how to play. Hope he chooses to play for Canada.
I’m sure Ovechkin cares about winning, too – he just goes about his business differently.
I wonder how much of it has to do with how he grew up? I know his mother was quite an athlete herself – he probably had a different upbringing than most of the other kids when he was young.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
He also reminds me of Alex Rodriguez, who I also don’t like even though I have never met him.
For all any fan knows he could spend his free time doing any number of illegal things. All most people see with public figures is a carefully cultivated facade – that’s why anyone who seems to let a bit more of their real personality come through attracts more interest.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I’ve hated A-Rod ever since that one weekend when he was in Toronto and yelled “mine” on a pop fly causing the Blue Jay player to lay off the ball. Then he cheated on his wife/girlfriend that same trip. He cheated twice in one weekend. Not too mention the whole cheating by being on steroids thing.
How about the slap when he was running to first base in that game? :)
He just comes across as a phony.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Ya, I can’t understand why the MLB lets proven cheaters continue to play. They have marred the game of baseball for years to come.
Because the fans keep paying and clearly don’t care. The only reason it is such a big deal in baseball is because of the congressional hearings – in the NFL a guy gets suspended for four games or so if he tests positive and then picks up the season like nothing happened.
There is even an argument to be made in favor of performance enhancing drugs.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
this commercial break is so long….
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
Doug MacLean is a total moron.
How this stupid fucker ever got into the NHL is a mystery. The Columbus owner must have done something pretty embarrassing that he has pictures of.
He says something stupid every time he is on camera…
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
This is taking a very long time to fix.
Maybe Tiger Woods backed over their equipment?
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
or he and shorty were HAVING AN AFFAIR??!!?
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
I like to think that it just took me being vulgar on a public forum.
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
so the nucks have pretty much perfected the “let a guy score his first nhl goal against you then fuck off for the second period” script.
Yeah Passive…getting pretty sick of these sucky second periods.
Enough of this shit!
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
And now I am forced to listen to a borderline retarded person ( not that there is anything wrong with that) Fucking MacLean should just shut up.
Kypreos is OK…but Dougie has to go.
Doesn’t help he has that child molestor face!
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
btw, during those technical difficulties, our boys successfully killed a sedin holding penalty.
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
You have to call goalies who use their sticks to spear and slash guys. It’s such BS. They don’t have to stand up and fight after sticking people so the Ref has to deal with it.
Nabby got a little poke in there did he?
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
at times like this, i’d like to see a ritualistic murder of an actual shark in the stands. BLOOD! INTENSITY!
by Passive Voice on Nov 29, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly…fucking amateur refs
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
why did they have to show that nabokov goal?
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
And Manny Malhotra sticks the knife in deeper
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
HANSEN SCORES!!!!
i mean no harm. i come in peace. unlike shane o'brien or kevin bieksa........
watch out for the Rypper too, he can whip anyone.......
GO CANUCKS GO!
Are you purposely not recognizing Welly’s for his work there?
I know you hate him but come on, he created that goal.
Don't hate him
Hate that he gets endless chances to fail as 3rd line centre.
I didn’t see who made the play, ok?
Fair enough.
You usually point out who made a nice play to set up a goal. Just thought you happen to miss this one on purpose because of who it was. :)
Thanks for noticing
I hope he does get it going, we don’t really have any other options for 3rd line centre unless Gillisgan makes a trade, so he’d better.
Created that goal?
That’s a bit of a stretch isn’t it? Hansen made a great effort to score there, without that Wellfed creates nada, as he has most of the season.
Jesus fucking christ yoata…can you not give the man any credit.?..carries the puck …holds it against checking, makes a slick pass through two guys sticks…but its all about Hansen?
He was the best Canuck on the ice tonight.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Learn to read
I’ll say again:
I only saw Hansen’s effort, haven’t seen the replay.
Am taking others word for Wellfed finally getting the piano off his ass.
Also as I’ve said before, Wellfed gets plenty of undeserved credit, too much, when he plays consistently like the 3rd line centre he supposedly is, I’ll acknowledge it.
Just watched it
jesus you made him sound like Mario Lemieux there, lol, he picks up a loose puck on the boards, gets past a half-assed check and throws it to the middle, BFD.
Again, Hansen doesn’t make the huge effort, it’s a nothing play, but gush on.
Oh well,
Canucks played a great game against the Oilers last night and the schedule keeps fucking them, so Im not choked about tonight’s game.
by Chuckles Canuckles on Nov 29, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions
Well…can’t win them all I guess.
That Burrows penalty should never have been called. I think if they could have tied it earlier, it might have been different.
Nice to see Welly have a good game. best Canuck on the ice.
The earliest use of the word with the spelling we recognize today is found in "L'Acadie: or Seven Years' Exploration in British America" by James Edward Alexander, published in 1849:
We also met a lusty fellow in a forest road with a keg of whisky slung round him who called to us 'Come boys and have some grog, I'm what you call a canuck"
Ah, not until March? Damn! I mean..yay!!!!
by Sean Zandberg on Nov 29, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
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