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Panic Abound As Vancouver Opens At Home

Update: Coaching staff shows Canucks game videos; players shocked.

"It was definitely eye opening," defenceman Shane O'Brien said of the video session.

"You could see that we weren't battling hard enough. We just weren't competing. That's one of the staples of our team. Be good defensively and win a lot of battles. We have to get back to that tonight (against Columbus).

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The papers are already calling tonight a must win. Well damn Skeeter that didn't take too long.

It's easy to get a little panicked over starting the season two in the hole (the first time since 2001 they have started so poorly). Forgetting there's an actual hockey game during the first period in Calgary is frustrating. Being shutout in Denver should leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. Unable to secure the lead once in six periods should bug you. 26th on the PK should irk you. Seeing Vancouver unable to finish their chances AND willingly parade to the box is a song and dance we've heard too many times over the years.

What should be different tonight? In theory nothing. The lines should be the same and the strategy will remain the same. Hey the Sedin line is doing fine and someone needs to bottle whatever Mason Raymond is drinking and pass it around because he's a little man on a big mission out there.

However, I disagree that tonight is a must win. It's way too early to be that dramatic.

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Look at the standings: no chance those three teams at the top of the West will be there 80 games from now. In reality, Vancouver needs their legs moving when the puck drops. They need to be more dangerous and far less passive then they were in the first two games. They need the defense to regain their composure least they hand Columbus numerous odd man rushes like they did with the Avs on Saturday.

You can use the whole "they didn't play together in the preseason excuse" but that's a cop out. There's only three new guys on the roster (ignoring Facepalm on the bench) so they know how to play together. Samuelsson is playing fine though doesn't have the chemistry just yet with Kesler. Shirokov is acclimating to the NHL slower than expected but give him time. Pudge has to get healthy before the third line can really mesh. Sooner or later this group will pull together.

If Vancouver can execute better (which AV cites as the #1 problem) and stay out of the box and the Jackets still win because they were the better team, that's fine. That's a loss you can live with. But we haven't seen the Canucks play like we know they can yet and that's what makes being 0-2 sting more.

The Jackets are expecting an angry team out there tonight. Let's not disappoint our guests.

Columbus Notes:

  • The expected lines are:

Nash-Brassard-Huselius
Filatov-Vermette-Voracek
Umberger-Pahlsson-Chimera
Torres-Murray-Dorsett

Methot-Hejda
Tyutin-Klesla
Roy-Russell

Mason

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Thanks for the balanced commentary Yankee. I agree that the two biggest problems have been discipline and execution. I’m assuming that those things will improve as we get a few games in to the season.

While I have been very frustrated by the results so far, I think the Canucks have shown a lot of promise. Samuelsson looks like a great pick-up. The Sedins and Burrows look great together, and with a bit more finish than the past two games could be a deadly, deadly line. Luongo has not been terrible, definitely good enough to get the win in Colorado assuming we actually scored and played less sloppy defense.

So there’s lot to be optimistic about, and I definitely do not think it is time to panic. If we still haven’t won after the next couple games then maybe I’ll join the panic brigade.

by nucksandpucks on Oct 5, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Besides if we panic now and lose tonight, whatever will the Province headline be tomorrow? Maybe they’ll bubble up the trade Luongo stuff. That’s always good for a chuckle.

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really worried at all yet...

…although it is my birthday, so a win would be very nice.

But really, who cares? The team played a busy preseason schedule – busy enough that they couldn’t really play together. But for some soft calls and a sleepy 1st period, they would have hammered Calgary. The Avs loss sucks, but c’est la vie. It happens.

It’s the home opener, the team will be grumpy, and they’ll probably step it up with a win tonight. If they’re 5-15 at the 20 game mark, yeah, time to be worried. But does anyone really think that’s going to happen? It’s so easy to get too high when you win, and too low when you lose. Must-win? Come on.

by Jevant on Oct 5, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah I wouldn’t call this must win at all. I’d like to see improvement, and of course a win would be nice. I still expect great things from our boys this year.

Burrows + Canucks = Stanley Cup!

by SpeakUp on Oct 5, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

"Must win" = a massive cliche

Along with “the goalie had no chance” it is one of the most overused and inaccurate phrases in hockey (and, more generally, sports). Unless it is an elimination game, whether that be facing a team with three wins in a playoff series or where a loss will knock you out of a playoff spot in the regular season, NO game is a must win. Because if the team loses they’re still in contention, right?

by nucksandpucks on Oct 5, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Must improve"

1. Defensive zone coverage.
2. Covering for the pinching Dman.
3. Overall effort from second to fourth lines.
4. Getting bodies to the net if we’re going to fire shots from the perimeter.
5. …and stop me if you’ve heard this one already over the last few seasons. Playing from puck drop til buzzer for THREE periods.

Do even most of that and the wins will come. Leave the “must win” for the media talking heads and bandwagon jumpers.

by kesrows on Oct 5, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow. That’s quite the third line they have there. How’d that happen?

Bring me Stanley. Alive if possible, dead... just as good.

by King Luongshanks on Oct 5, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m so pumped, I have a center ice preview through the 24th!!!

AKA: Linix129

by sw12 on Oct 5, 2009 11:07 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Hockey season is like sex. The anticipation is nearly always better than the real thing.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Oct 5, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh man. Way to ruin Jevant’s birthday! :)

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s only a must win for the people that are about to hop off the wagon and demand trades/firings..etc.
A friend of mine brought up a good point today. It’s not necessarily relevant to Vancouver yet, but he brought up the concept of the Hawks firing Savard early last season because the team didn’t look sharp. I’m not saying that’s going to happen here, but it could. I’m not worried about being 0-2 because it’s too early.
I am thinking that a return to home ice is going to light a bit of a fire under this team’s ass tonight and we’ll see a better effort.
If not, and they lose, some of the media is going to panic even further like Mike said…but I’m not.
Didn’t Pittsburgh struggle out of the gate last season?
Even if we start 0-7 I may get concerned, however, we have Mike Gillis running the show. He won’t put up with that. Not a frickin chance. This team is going to succeed this year one way or another.

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

No way they’d fire AV after inking him to a 3-year extension. I know there’s some AV haters out there, personally I don’t mind him too much. I thought the Canucks were both a good and entertaining team last season and I’m expecting more of the same this year.

by nucksandpucks on Oct 5, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

No way they’d fire AV after inking him to a 3-year extension.

Wanna bet? No coach is safe when a team that has high expectations is under performing.

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Stop teasing me with this AV stuff!!

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get ready Scott Arniel..your time is coming! haha
You know me…I’m an AV supporter. I’d hate to see it come to that.

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

There are 80 games to go in the season. I repeat. 80 games to go.

by Beantown Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

80 games left on the schedule, 80 more games to go...

…if we should lose but one of those games, the panic it seems will flow…

by Jevant on Oct 5, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you think I’m panicking then you just don’t know

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was playing along :) See the rhyme?

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see she was eating the inside of that cake

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

What a very…uh,…Reubenesque young lady.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Oct 5, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was going to put up a link of Erika Eleniak in Under Siege, but have no idea what the boob rule is around here.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Oct 5, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah we’d have to remove the nudity unfortunately. Which is a crying shame because I just found this.

:(

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

My eyes!!! You sunuva…

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Oct 5, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

quadruple your pleasure. Shudder…

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

you boys are ridiculous.

http://canuckpuckbunny.blogspot.com

GO CANUCKS GO!

by missy on Oct 5, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sean started it.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Oct 5, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

AV is safe for now. He’s been given marching orders to open up the team’s style of play, with 3 starters injured already (Demitra, Schneider, Hansen), 2 newcomers to integrate into the top 6 (Samuelsson, Shirokov), and a new top 6 D-man (Ehrhoff). Plus various other changes.

So he’ll be cut some slack as he does all this, as long as the effort is there from the team. If the Canucks can improve to so much as, say, 10-10 he’ll be fine, and we have the talent that such a record is more than achievable given good effort.

But if the effort isn’t there and the team is still losing, then he’ll be gone and some sort of a dirty, rotten, taskmaster SOB of a coach will be brought in to whip the animals into line.

by casual on Oct 5, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I wasn’t trying to say fire AV! I’m saying that if the Canucks would lose 8 or more of their first 10 then anything is possible, including canning the coach.

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay, I see your point. Yeah, if the Canucks totally tank then maybe AV’s head will roll. But I take the extension to be a sign of MG’s confidence in his coach – and I think it would take a monumentally terrible season to undermine that confidence, something I don’t think will happen.

Interesting side note, though: three of the four conference finalists last year had different coaches than they started the season with.

by nucksandpucks on Oct 5, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Provocateur!!

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Oct 5, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep rollin’ rollin’ rollin’

Keep the ‘Fire AV’ train rollin’

RAWHIDE!

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

love that song man, love it. Except the AV part…

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why Rawhide is reminding me of Canyonero from the Simpsons but it is…

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The team doesn’t need to win to stay in the playoff race (lol), but I am hoping they are able to play well tonight, so that we can slay the terrifying beast that is the Vancouver media before it gets any stronger.

by jozsef on Oct 5, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

This is not going to be an easy game, the BJs are pretty good. I look forward to a tight game for sure.

by cyxj on Oct 5, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

and they have a great goalie…uh-oh…

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quit typing BJ, it makes me giggle.

Yes, I am that immature.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Oct 5, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any word on tonight’s lineup? I would be surprised if the ’nucks changed anything, being the home opener and all. Unless any more folks with the flu?

by Beantown Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Personally, I’d put Tanner Glass in and let Rypien sit if anything at all.

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

“must win”. What a joke, us Vancouver fans have the unfortunate reputation as band-wagoners around the league. And “must wins” being brought out in the 3rd game of the season are a big reason why. Whoever came up with that garbage should be publicly horsewhipped and forced to permanently resign from Canucks fandom.
I have a hard time browsing Nucks websites cause of the numerous trolls and media scrutiny which permeates them.
I’ve found a home here, and i’m pleased to see a non-panic approach to the 0-2 start. I’m lookin towards the final destination this year, and not the trip gettin there. We will start to win more than we lose, and we will be right up there at the end. Win or loss tonight means little, effort and hustle says the most.
We’ll see a scrappy team with drive tonight, that said I think we will go down early again by a goal or two.
4-2 Nucks though. Sedins with 7 pts.

by Nuckels on Oct 5, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

We also don’t plan Cup parade routes after winning round 1 of the playoffs…oh dear

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think we should have the sports writers at The Province fired asap.

maybe replace them with us goons here……

http://canuckpuckbunny.blogspot.com

GO CANUCKS GO!

by missy on Oct 5, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sedins with seven points would be just fine for my fantasy team. Good idea.

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah me too

And I wouldn’t complain if Henrik gets one and Daniel gets six of ’em!

by nucksandpucks on Oct 5, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree if the stupidity of the “must-win” comments at this time of the season. truth be told, i’d rather see us drop the first 5 games of the season, then go on a huge winning streak that would piss off the rest of the league.

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GO CANUCKS GO!

by missy on Oct 5, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the Canucks are going to take this one.
Hmm…5-4. Should be tense. Columbus doesn’t suck after all. I think they are going to be better than last year. Maybe we will lose to them tonight then! Oh god! Help us!
8-2 Columbus! Fuck!

I kid. 5-4 Canucks.

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

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