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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
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4:10 PM ET Update: More good news from the injury front as Salo skated 60 minutes pain free yesterday and could be back as early as this weekend. Rypien could actually be back tonight but I doubt they'll rush him back if they don't have too. Daniel gets his cast off this Friday too and is also reported to be pain free at the moment.
Tonight is Burrows' 300th NHL game.
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What a difference a week makes. Last Tuesday Vancouver was fresh off a 2-1 loss to Edmonton and about to head into Chicago with a thunderstorm of question marks following them.
A week later, they're winners of three straight with some of the kids (Michael Grabner? Meet relevancy) helping lead the charge while their captain seems to have shaken the rust off his slow start. Now, with the news that both Salo and Sedin are perhaps close to returning, the early season mobs have dispersed and returned to their nice condos.
Can't say the same with Detroit. Eight points in nine games leaves them barely hanging on to 12th place in the West. Tonight starts a three game Northwest Canadian tour for the Wings where they'll be looking to end a three game losing skid (two of which at the hands of Colorado, damn it all). Just like with Toronto, there's no reason Vancouver should allow a team to kick the losing habit on home ice.
Do you think Samuelsson had tonight's game circled on the calendar? Probably. For the record, he has more points (10) than anyone on Detroit right now.
Do you think Bertuzzi had it circled? Probably not. Can't blame him either.
Speaking of Mr. Bertuzzi, MacIntyre has a piece on him in the Sun where he talks about almost packing it in:
"I didn’t want to play anymore," Bertuzzi admitted after practising for tonight’s game against the Canucks. "For a while. The trade to Florida ... there have been some weird situations. But I’m quite happy here. I love playing with this team. For how much longer, I don’t know. I’m having fun this year.
And part of that fun means doing what we saw him fail to do (much to our happiness) in Calgary: play defensively.
"I’ve got to be — it’s tough to even say it — a very defensively responsible player now. They need that from me. It’s something I’ve had to work on and they’ve worked hard with me."
The Wings are looking to Bert to pick up the scoring after Johan Franzen was knocked out for half a season. Babcock mixed up his lines yesterday at practice (sound familiar?), putting Bert alongside Filppula and Cleary on the second line and creating a third line of Leino - Draper - Williams.
No word on Rypien's health so expect the same lines as who against Edmonton. Schneider played 14:51 in his first game, so watch to see if AV slowly increases that as the game unfolds. The huge X factor remains Sergei Shirokov who should be up with Sammy and Hank on the first line. Just as with Grabner, Shirok needs that timely goal to get that monkey off his back. Confidence young lad, confidence.
If Vancouver needs a cure for their ES woes, it may come in the form of Ericsson and/or Lebda who have been on the ice for a combined 21 ES goals. It would be nice to get the speed line out against one of them, force them on their heels and see what they can generate.
The special teams: Van PP (5th, 27.4%), DET PP (11th, 22.7%). VAN PK (14th, 80.8%), DET PK (19th, 77.1%).
If you need some Detroit news in the meantime, check out Winging It In Motown or A2Y.
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The huge X factor remains Sergei Shirokov who should be up with Sammy and Hank on the first line.
Uh-oh. Did something happen to Burrows?
Bring me Stanley. Alive if possible, dead... just as good.
by King Luongshanks on Oct 27, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Burrows started the Edmonton game with Bernier and Bolduc. The French Connection! Or, you know, something.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The S line and the B line. Now if only we can get an A line.
by Beantown Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, it could be A for the “Acceleration” line…
get it? increasing speed? the Kesler – Raymond – Grabner line
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 27, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go, second derivatives, go!
Um, except that means we just end up calling them the “2nd” line. Never mind.
by casual on Oct 27, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO! second derivatives!! nice!!
just stick with the A line
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 27, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you and all your book learnin’ ;)
I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
by Smoboy41 on Oct 27, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…putting Bert alongside Filppula and Cleary on the second line and creating a third line of Leino – Draper – Williams.
Are Datysuk & Zetterberg playing on the same line together, then?
by casual on Oct 27, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume so. Looking for confirmation somewhere. I can’t imagine they’d stick one of them on the fourth line.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z and Datsyuk on same line
So far, the line up for tonight looks like this:
Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Holmstrom (Z&D alternating at center probably)
Bertuzzi-Filppula-Cleary
Leino-Draper-Williams
Maltby-Abdelkader-May
by Casey Richey on Oct 27, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, good stuff. Thanks! Geez, I forgot you had May. Some mini reunions all around tonight.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Problem
haha yeah there should be some photo ops!
We should merge our teams and form a Super Swede team.
by Casey Richey on Oct 27, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t know if we have to merge.
For purely selfish Canuck fan reasons, I am hoping the Swedes get knocked out in the elimination round. Some huge Belurus …or Germany, or those fucking Swiss.
Be good for both our teams.
Yeah, thats right Swiss Misses, we haven’t forgotten 2006.
Bastard…4 years of being laughed at by the Swiss?
And a shutout no less…truly the nadir of Canadian Olympic history.
And in a wierd way, we can blame Bertuzzi…remember Moore coming out with some big legal thing on the…what..day he was announced, or the day they went over.? Can’t remember.
Whatever…yet something else to put on Bert’s big shoulders.
Caps and Flyers is pretty entertaining right now
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Oct 27, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever…yet something else to put on Bert’s big shoulders.
I think the big guy has suffered enough.
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do I…makes me sad when I see him all hangdog now.
Though, even though I didn’t throw away the Bert’ Bobblehead when he had the “incident”…its long gone in the garbage now.
What…4 teams with Detroit since he was here right?
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Oct 27, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get me wrong, I did hate the disillusioned Bert after the Moore incident as he floated even more on the ice, but the past is the past.
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When i find myself in times of trouble,
44 shines down on me.
Speaking words of wisdom,
Bertuzzi!
I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
by Smoboy41 on Oct 27, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
caps and fylers is pretty damn entertaining right now.
ovechkin just got a goal and an assist for 3 of my 4 fantasy pools
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 27, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh wait, he didn’t get an assist on that. dammit i thought he did. he was on the ice for the powerplay goal though.
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 27, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got Emery in my pools. Die Caps die!
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, the other alex (semin) just scored.
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 27, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure Bertuzzi and May are the non-brother version of the Sedins in terms of inseparability. They’ve been together in Vancouver, Anaheim, and now Detroit.
by nucksandpucks on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I remember features on them earlier in the decade when they were both Canucks and they seemed very brotherly, did golf outings together, the whole thing. I was convinced both would be Maple Leafs this year too.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, that’s a solid-looking forward lineup. How are they not leading the west like usual? It’s hard to believe that their goaltending and D been that awful…but knowing the team’s recent history and the quality of their coaching, they’ll be bouncing back in a hurry.
by headspacej on Oct 27, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this also destroys...
our Willy Filly Ville line :(
by Casey Richey on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who thinks that article from MacIntyre is garbage? I mean, why can’t he write an article about Bertuzzi changing as a player without taking all those same old shots at Bert again and again. We know how you feel about the situation Ian, you made that perfectly clear for like 4 years over and over again. I am surprised Bertuzzi would even talk to that guy. Imagine if every time someone talked about you they started out by mentioning the worst thing you had ever done.
by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Bert has a list of reporters he certainly would never like to talk to again. That had to have been a factor in his thoughts of retirement. Being a hockey player is exhausting enough…imagine having to relive that story over and over and over again (and, because it isn’t settled yet, you can’t say anything anyway!)
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like they think they have to mention how horrible the incident was, and how terrible a person Bertuzzi is, in order to ensure people know they don’t support what he did. You shouldn’t have to preface everything you say about the guy. I hate when people say “I am not defending what Bertuzzi did.” No one is going to think you are defending what he did if you write a story about him changing as a player. Bertuzzi would have been less vilified and would have an easier life right now if he had just murdered Moore in a back alley. He probably would have spent less time in prison than he spend being suspended from the league. (Please note that is a condemnation of our legal system)
by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bertuzzi would have been less vilified and would have an easier life right now if he had just murdered Moore in a back alley.
Sad, but true!
Yeah, it’s time to move on from the Moore thing. Personally, I don’t care about it anymore. It’s in the past. Fucking leave it there. I’m just not a big fan of the guy besides that whole incident. It’s about time somebody showed him how to play D. God, that’s one of the big reasons why I was glad to see him leave here (plus it brought us Luongo! woot!)
He’s the enemy now. He plays for the Wings. I don’t really like the Detroit. Kill ’em, Canucks!
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See I feel the same way about the incident. I was actually there though so I have pretty strong memories. Like the people around me laughing about it and about how Bert had got him good. Then as the pool of blood slowly expanded at the bottom of the pile of players and the longer Moore lay on the ice the quieter the place got. I remember thinking over and over, “Get up Moore, get up” I wanted him to be ok and I think, selfishly, I had a sense of what the future had in store for Bert who at the time was my favourite player. But it is a long time in the past. I just get annoyed that it is even a topic of conversation still. Do we still talk about Dany Heatley’s car crash EVERY time his name comes up? Nope. And rightly so. People make mistakes and we move on.
I agree about the D thing but at the same time in his prime he was so good offensively you could live without the D. Same with Nazzy. But when the offense started slipping he needed to get better in his own end and he didn’t do it.
by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. If you look at the NFL there are at least two players playing right now who have actually killed a person before, and they had less of a suspension and get less vilified in the media than Bertuzzi.
Bring me Stanley. Alive if possible, dead... just as good.
by King Luongshanks on Oct 27, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I defend
what he did, to me it was nothing more than a sucker punch of a dirty player that deserved it, same as Samuellson deserved it when Domi did it, and Lemieux did it when McCarty did his damnedest to do it, Bert just got unlucky in the result, but Moore is the dirtier player imo.
I disdain Bertuzzi for other reasons, mainly because he has gotten progressively lazier and dumber as a player ever since his first big contract.
by yoata on Oct 27, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally Section. Ian is trying to climb the douche list.
Got to be #2 behind Tony.
At least he is on my list…not sure of yours…
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Oct 27, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually kind of like Tony G. But then I kind of like yoata. I am not sure I have a douche list for media guys. I am in the industry so I know how it goes. Like Dave Pratt. He may be like that in real life since I haven’t met him, but I get the feeling it is an act. Playing the role of the jerk is a great way to get listeners. I heard once that people who hate Howard Stern listen to more hours of his show a week than people who love him. But I don’t like how Ian went on and on about Bert again there. Just seemed to be unnecessary. Who cares if he has changed as a person? Why should Ian, and therefore his readers, feel the need to judge Bert on what kind of person he is based on what we see on the ice and in interviews? It’s BS. And lazy.
By the way, I have met Don Taylor. Nicest guy you could ever meet.
by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Tony G the MC is hit and miss with me. I don’t rank journalists either. Then again there is this guy who writes for the NY post…
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally. Thanks for the insight.
I was only joking about actually having a “list”, but with TG, I think I dislike him more now than in the past because I am/was a fan. Always the first read when I read the Province. But lately, since he has been a TEAM 1040er, he seem to think he can be a negative fuck and say some horrible things, and then just wash it away with writing, like he did with Shirokov after the Oilers game that he “played his best game in a Vancouver uniform”.
Totally forgetting that he made a point in running Shark and the organization for even having him on the team at the beginning of the year…in at least 3 columns I can remember. I can’t even read him first, if at all. Usually I try after reading the other guys, but turn the page as soon as he goes on another negative screed, no matter how insightful it might be.
You are bang on about the “act” though. I get the feeling Pratt is someone you would have a drink with, but Taylor would be your good friend.
Ian was and is very myopic on that subject. He can’t even fathom writing a positive article about Bert’. Its a “persona” he wants no part of, and feels strangely proud, I think, of keeping Bertuzzi on the rack.
Yeah…thats always the thing. Through past career associations, I met several of those in the public eye, but two that stuck in mind were Courtney Love and Will Smith. Both have a public persona, one negative and the other pretty positive. Both were about what that persona displayed, though I got the feeling with Love it was all an affectation.
Will Smith was just a nice guy. If he wasn’t a superstar, he’d be the same.
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Oct 27, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny you say that cause I never judge people in the public eye but I always had a feeling in my gut that Will Smith was just a nice guy. Glad to hear it. When he goes on Leno and stuff you feel like you want to be buddies with him or something.
And I would love to go on a booze filled night out with Pratt. I bet it would be Legen….wait for it….dary.
by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest tool in local sports media? Neil Macrae, without a doubt.
I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
by Smoboy41 on Oct 27, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead on about Ericsson and Lebda
Lebda has always been an “if” in the spot and people had huge (probably too huge) expectations for Ericsson following his late season performance and playoff performance but their line has been flat out bad.
by Casey Richey on Oct 27, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Red Wings
Red Wings were flying and up beat at a lively practice this morning.
by NuckFan on Oct 27, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So was Toronto on Saturday.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didja notice that Toronto’s best games of the year, by far, both came against former Burke teams? That’s not a coincidence: Burke knows too many details about how to play against his old teams, much as Jon Gruden in football was able to prepare Tampa for an easy Superbowl victory over Oakland back when they met.
I guess that means that Samuelsson should be doing our game plan for tonite….
by casual on Oct 27, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess you missed the Habs game to start the season, eh?
Anyways, I’m excited for the game tonight, Vancouver/Detroit are always good tilts.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Oct 27, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess you missed the Habs game to start the season, eh?
Correct. Why? Did T.O. look good in it? Sounds like it. Even so, I still think the larger point about Burke teams playing better, in general, against former Burke teams still holds true, but we can watch how the Leafs do in their next few games, too.
If they’re turning a corner – ambiguously intimated by their play the last two games – well, that’s one thing. But if they drop off a cliff again with no other explanation, that’s another.
And yeah, V/D tilts are usually good ones. Detroit’s a little down this year and we would do well to take advantage of that while we can cuz their organization is too strong for the downturn to last.
by casual on Oct 27, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I saw the opener. Leafs were flying that night. Maybe it was jut the happiness of having hockey back again, but I thought they looked great.
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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 27, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you are right Yank’. They did look great. Its why the Leafs surprised everyone when they went on to the streak they did.
We all know that when that happens the media sharks that populate the T.O media pool smell blood in the water, and pretty soon it becomes that endless negative mindfuck death spiral.
I know the Vancity guys try to attain that level of cold murder, but I seem to remember them still taking shots on our endless home losing streak last year ( I never refer to the number…ever!), but also fairly reporting the AV’s comments at the time.
About the “process” and how they looked good.
Though there were a ton of PP chances for the Buds against Anaheim. That game may have been, with all the physical and pushback it had, like the Canucks against the Hawks.
Hopefully they can kick another team with Canuck connections in Dallas.
Geezuz…like we are playing the NHL version of “Six degrees of Separation”
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Oct 27, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dallas? who’s in dallas?
oh…crawford….right……..
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 27, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, we hate Dallas.
Best display of playoff goaltending I can remember seeing from both teams though in that 1st round matchup.
Both ways.
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Oct 27, 2009 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How harsh was that on Turco, eh? 3 shutouts and his team loses the series.
by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that insane or what? Wonder if that has ever happened in history?
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually don’t mind dallas.
anaheim, on the other hand, still bad….
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 27, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hate Steve Ott on Dallas.
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 27, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Section…I think that is where his whiney bitching about Luongo’s “cheaters” on his pads all rang a little hollow…
Turco probably was his bud when they did that bit for the commercial for this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp1DMQ-x33k
at about 30 sec in…
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Oct 27, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yes, that commercial is awesome!!
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 27, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Thornton with a mouth full of chocolate. “Nothing” That’s funny.
by Section 312 on Oct 27, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Ovechkin!!”
Sid has a career in acting after hockey…
vancitydan
by vancitydan on Oct 27, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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