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Desbiens Re-Assigned To Moose

"I was nervous at the beginning but as the game went on, I got more and more comfortable," said Desbiens. "It was a good experience. Usually when you get called up, you don't expect to play too much. Because of the injuries, there was room for me on the third line and those guys were easy to play with.

"Except for the penalty that I took, there was no time in the game where I felt I was behind the pace or not fast enough. Obviously, skating is not one of my strengths but it's not one of my weaknesses either. I didn't feel out of place, which is good."

Guillaume Desbiens played a solid game for the Canucks in their victory over the Moose. He didn't factor on the scoresheet, but did makes some Dallas players' heads rattle. We'll see if he gets recalled by Friday.

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Well someone is coming back from Manitoba before Friday. Grabner, Shriok or Desbiens, take a pick.

I think Rome is the safe bet to step in for Salo. I can’t really see them recalling Lukowich knowing he’d likely get scooped up on re-entry waivers.

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting move. Almost as if they are dangling a carrot for all the Moose forwards. A little healthy competition to try to outdo Desbiens ( who I thought played fine). I’ll bet the next Moose game will be an entertaining one.

Oh…and, I’m sorry I missed the victory over the Moose. That was never on my schedule. Probably PPV.

by kesrows on Oct 13, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

So is the point of re-entry waivers to force a team to trade a player rather than sending him up & down as needed? Cuz otherwise, I still don’t see why re-entry waivers even exist or who would want them; they just keep good players down in the minors who might otherwise get back to the bigs.

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

I think its someone’s idea of league parity. Team A gets run by some kind of Charles Wang consortium, while Team B has stocked their team and farm team well, Team A (Canucks fit in here not too long ago) still gets a chance at being competitive by living off Team B’s table scraps.

It definitely hurts a player like Lukowich, but for many fringe NHLers playing on stronger teams it gives them more of a chance to get a full time shot with a more marginal team.

by kesrows on Oct 13, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still I see it as not necessary. There only needs to be waivers in one direction – up or down – in order to prevent a team from simply stocking their farm team with valuable assets in case of injury or desire to change players due to poor play. Having waivers in only one direction gives all teams a shot to take those players away. Having them in both directions makes it impossible for one-way contract players to be called up in the event they are needed, because if they get taken away by another team not only do you not get their services when you needed them in your lineup, you also are on the hook for half their salary-cap hit. I think this needs to be changed. Luko is doomed to minors or a trade.

by Beantown Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree competely.

by kesrows on Oct 13, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luko is doomed to minors or a trade.

Yes, the re-entries have consigned him to such a fate, barring a trade. I really can;t see why either the team or the player’s union wants that.

Off-Topic to Sean & Mike: I have had to block “ad.sbnation.com” via my host file cuz it led to a Flash ad for “freecanadacreditreport.ca” that sits there and eats up 100% of my cpu. A little digging indicates that this particular ad is causing the same grief for a lot of people. The ad pops up on a variety of sites, not just yours, and in some other instances it comes from an outfit called “adgardener.com”. In any event, I thought you should know, cuz it’s prob costing you ad revenue (when people block it) and/or web traffic (when they stop coming here cuz it slows down their computer so much).

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks casual. We’ve seen some odd bugs related to ads the past few weeks. I’ll send this to our tech team and hopefully fix that for everyone.

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

No prob. For the info of your tech team: I made a copy of your page, and added a “base” tag to the html header so that I could just pul up the copy in mybrowser and get the same results as by surfing to your site. This way I could try removing various portions of the html to see which one led to the offending ad.

The offending ad appears to be triggered via a scipt, cuz I got rid of it by deleting the code in the div with an id=“local-ads”. From that I determined that “ad.sbnation.com” was the immediate culprit.

And like I said, this same ad pops up on other sites, much to my chagrin. I really don’t know why the ad agencies bother to present it when it’s so ill-behaved and counter-productive. Lazy buggers, I guess. Me, I’d drop the ad till its authors fixed it and rotate some other ad in its place.

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

FYI: the tech team responds with “I’m looking into this with our ad partners. We are pulling Ad Gardener from the rotation.”

See? The system works.

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personnel is policy, that’s why your system works … cuz you guys have the right stuff.

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scoring forward

I really hope it’s Shirokov or Grabner. So far, we’ve replaced Demitra with Shirokov, then Shirokov with Glass, and then Daniel with Desbiens. That’s basically replacing 2 offensive guys with grinders. This team does not have the offensive firepower to do that and still score.

Burrows-Sedin-Bernier
Raymond-Kesler-Samuelsson

…are two halfway decent scoring lines (at least, halfway decent on a team missing 2 top-6 forwards). But if those are your top two, you better have a 3rd line that can contribute some offence. Glass-Wellwood-Desbiens, regardless of how well they play their role, is not going to scare anyone offensively. At least if you pair a Grabner or Shirokov with a Wellwood you have a chance at generating a bit of offence from that line.

I think you have to gamble with offence there. Those 2 first lines are quite defensively responsible anyways, considering that 5 of those 6 guys were used to defensive roles for at least part of the previous couple of years.

by Jevant on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Grabner has four points in four games (3-1) and Shirok has three points in two games (1-2). The Moose play Abbotsford twice in row starting tonight so keep your eyes on them and see how they do. I think the stronger play with win out.

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

More to the point, I think, is whether or not Shirok is getting his points by playing a North American style.

We already know he can score with his old habits against weaker opposition but that he was caught off-guard when the level of play against him rose in the regular season. If he just racks up the points playing as he did before, then nothing’s changed and he’ll remain a minor-league sensation, but if he’s doing it while adapting his game, then we’ll soon see him back with the big club!

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really hope it’s Shirokov or Grabner. So far, we’ve replaced Demitra with Shirokov, then Shirokov with Glass, and then Daniel with Desbiens. That’s basically replacing 2 offensive guys with grinders. This team does not have the offensive firepower to do that and still score.

That may be, but don’t tell that to Dallas!
Why does Grabner seem like a fail to me? I don’t know if he has won Canucks management’s favor after a lousy preseason. This guy is pushing career AHL’er at this point if he doesn’t step up. I think it’s more between Shirokov and Desbiens right now, but that is just my opinion.

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am definitely pulling for Shirokov, make no mistake. He may need to bulk up a little though. The next game is against the Flames. They play pretty rough. Can Shirokov handle that?

by Sean Zandberg on Oct 13, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bulk up? He went from 176 to 195 in a matter of weeks!

Either that, or the team announcements about his weight were just somebody makin’ shit up. Whatever.

As for Grabner, his current regimen ain’t working for him and something needs to change. A trade might be just the right thing for the guy, to a rebuilding team that will play him steadily and see if he blossoms.

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t trust the reported weight numbers too much because I’m sure some teams fudge the numbers a bit.

Bulking is an off-season thing, it’s really tough to bulk during the season without negatively affecting your play. I’m sure Gillis will put him on the same training Raymond did in the off-season.

I got my money on Shirokov being called up on Thursday.

by cyxj on Oct 13, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of expect to see Desbiens one more time. It seems to make more sense having that big body to go in and crash the Calgary D a bit, even moreso than when he got called up for the Dallas game.

by kesrows on Oct 13, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expect you’re right, but I think it’ll depend on what Arniel tells Vignault about how Shirok has adapted his game, what he’s learned etc. I wouldn’t bet against Desbiens, tho (kesrows has a pt). Anyway, I guess this is why AV gets the big bucks and I don’t.

Grabner is still a possibility, too, unless they’ve given up on him, in which case he should be traded.

But if they still think he has potential, then when will you get a better situation – w/all the injuries, incl’g Demitra, Sedin & Hansen, plus Shirok on a training mission, Hodgson back in junior and Schroeder still in the future – to give Grabner a thorough shot than right now? Later in the year, the roster will be tougher to crack and he’s a lot less likely to get a chance.

Hey, I think I just talked myself into it!

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

Time to give a young gun a real chance,

by yoata on Oct 13, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also Funk or Oberg are likely to be called up as the 7th d-man once Rome steps in for Salo.

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

You think? No McIver or Nycholat? I really liked Oberg in preseason though. I’d be happy with him. Based on numbers in Manitoba, seems funk has started the season very strong. So I’m guessing him?

by Beantown Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or even Baumgartner I suppose. Lots of wonderfully mediocre options.

by Beantown Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nycholat is injured and McIver was a healthy scratch in the last game. Though Oberg isn’t much better then McIver he at least had AV’s eye in camp. Funk has four points in four games (insert funk joke here).

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by Yankee Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they’re going to be called up, let them play in manitoba instead of sitting in the press box.

by thelastjohnny on Oct 13, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Team 1040 reported that the canucks plan on not calling anyone up because schneids could be good to go in 5 games, and they will go with rome and just have no d-men sitting in the press box unless there are more injuries (knock on wood). They still need to call up a forward, of course, since Desbiens was sent down.

by Beantown Canuck on Oct 13, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t we need 2 fw’s then? We just lost a d-man (Salo) and a fw (Daniel), and if we’re not gonna replace the d-man, then with Desbiens no longer filling Daniel’s spot, we have room for 2 more fw’s, right?

Shirok & Grabner?

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh wait, I forgot about the press box!

/time for another coffee, obviously

by casual on Oct 13, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

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